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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network an AGR Eddie the global rain

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the spoke radio for Masse's how you

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doing how you doing how you doing

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today's Wednesday December 18 2019 352

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the middle of beautiful downtown Burbank

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California and I would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network in kg hari the

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I'm your host Amy Church what is rock

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and everybody how you do it crazy day

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huh yeah man but none of that matters

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tonight we have two very special guests

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mark Cushman is here it's gonna kick

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Captain Kirk that's right they're both

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here for our Star Trek special events

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tonight it's Star Trek Marc Cushman Marc

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voyages and the companion auto audio

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book is produced by Vic Montagna which

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documents the making of the original

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Star Trek tonight both mark and Vic with

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both of them we are going to discuss

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Star Trek the history of science fiction

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on television including the continuing

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of Star Trek beyond the original series

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and scientific achievements which came

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the progeny Eider was mark Cushman is is

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a director his television credits

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beyond belief actor fiction and

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diagnosis murder his feature film

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when he gets here but right now I would

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evening how are you hey Jimmy I'm good I

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man if you come to our Christmas party

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the rainbow is day after Christmas man

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is that a deal that may be worth the

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next time you're on the show but you get

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conversation as friends and where that

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ends it ends but we're going to end his

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friends there you go had to get that out

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of the way so it's a tradition that's

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here with like one of the most basic

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which is why is it for you we can

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discuss the the world but why for you

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why does the original series Star Trek

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live on today like it does it is as

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strong or stronger today that at any

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point in history what's going on the

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themes and every episode of Star Trek

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had a theme Jame Roddenberry was very

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adamant about that even when I pitched

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him in next generation I pitched him the

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story he liked it he liked the hook and

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Trek continues for vic Mignogna and he

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the theme for every story and those

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those messages that are in there are the

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things that make it feel meaningful it

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makes it feel like a good meal and we

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all do and the the modern political

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awareness the culture awareness the

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things that were going on it was a very

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crazy time in the United States sexual

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things all of that was addressed in a

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science-fiction wrapping paper but it's

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the only way you could do it back then

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right it wouldn't let you talk about

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news division could talk about Vietnam

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racism sexism God all that stuff so Gene

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recent series and he wanted to do a show

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where he could address these issues and

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the only way he could do it he wanted to

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be a Jonathan Swift on television and

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network would catch on to it and there

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the network and they're all in the memos

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what the script was saying or trying to

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do so they were catching on but he would

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about Vietnam in 1968 when it was at its

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peak and he's debating the whole issue

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of Vietnam on another planet what do you

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make of you know Star Trek continues

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the writing was solid the music was

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solid but it was also the character

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development that was there and it was

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types of approach to it that is so

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that's why it always been five year

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mission they were trying for five years

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so they could have a good syndication

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package and they got cut short after the

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third year so they said you know I want

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to do what happens between that last

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episode and Star Trek the motion picture

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and show us what goes on with those

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characters and how they make that bridge

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and and he really approached it with the

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right attitude he brought me in to be a

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story editor to kind of ride the scripts

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gene I knew Dorothy Fontana John DF

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black Bob justman all these people and I

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knew what they would say about each

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script so I could give him the memos for

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those and I wrote an episode for the

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show as well and we did stories that

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were about the characters and that's the

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great thing about science fiction is you

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can look at the human condition and you

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can look at what's happening right now

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on earth by looking at it through alien

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eyes I mean Spock looking through his

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eyes we were really able to examine us

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with all of the follow-up series that

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of them the great divide in Star Trek

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vans between the original series and

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everything else that followed is

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something that I find fascinating and I

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never I never quite got engaged in all

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of the new stuff and I don't know why I

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can't put my finger on it its slicker

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well be talking about religion right the

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tempers flare the dedication is amazing

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but enough to where we noticed the first

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series had great conflict and that's the

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key to any drama is you had the the

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conflicts between the characters not

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or whatever the Klingons or were later

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in next generation the Borg but Kirk was

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a swaggering captain you didn't question

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sometimes he needed to go to McCoy and

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say I don't know what I'm doing what if

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I'm wrong but when he was on the bridge

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he's in command and if anybody

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challenged him he would chop them down

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Spock between him and McCoy he had the

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conflict between McCoy and Spock and

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that that's the spark of great drama

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meathead in a room and the dialogue

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practically writes itself well it did

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that with the original show and when we

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were doing next generation it was

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difficult because gene had decided that

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by that time now this is 200 years

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beyond the first Star Trek that mankind

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is going to get over their petty

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difference our petty differences and so

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all the characters liked each other all

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inner drama and inner conflict with

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those characters we tried and sometimes

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we succeeded but the first show was just

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a wonderful place for a writer because

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it was all there we're

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there were there restrictions on subject

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whether it was racism interracial

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relationships politics were there any

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restrictions or was it a pretty free

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free writing writers room very free and

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and I can speak for the first show -

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even though I was a kid when it was on

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because as I said gene Roddenberry gave

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me access to all the show files right

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and I went through all the memos and he

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had files on every episode so you could

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see the conversations you could see what

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they were thinking what they were wanted

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to say what they were fighting against

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the network to be able to say and so NBC

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had the restrictions but Gene

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Roddenberry did not he wanted to bring

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that drama to the screen and he wanted

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to delve deeply into the characters now

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in the later shows she didn't have the

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restrictions anymore but unfortunately

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when you have crew and they all get

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along you know you're not going to have

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the the the fights and the disagreements

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that you really like to have as a writer

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now this has been debated for four

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decades but certainly you have him in

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sight and opinion why cancel the show

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because of those conflicts a lot of

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people thought it was the ratings and

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that was the folklore for almost 50

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years forty five years or so right when

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I did aren't my books we actually went

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to Nielsen and we licensed all the

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ratings for every single episode and we

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were stunned that they were much much

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better than we were ever told when the

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first season was on in 1966-67 on

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Thursday nights at 8:30 to 9:30 in quite

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often won its timeslot up against tough

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competition up against the CBS Thursday

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night movie up against bewitched on ABC

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and it was a close race and quite often

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Star Trek was the lead show so it was

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doing well for the network now if you

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look at the overall week you'll see Star

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Trek in and around number 3035 or

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whatever but that's out of 90 TV shows

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and it's up against tough tough

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competition but it gave the other

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networks a bloody nose but NBC wanted to

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take it

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that first year because gene was doing

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stories that just pushed it to the limit

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and one of them the enemy with is a one

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where Kirk was split by a transporter

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malfunction they had the intellect on

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one side and the other one was just

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primal and he tried to rape his yeoman

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and NBC blew a gasket over that and and

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when they aired it they kept telling

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Roddenberry that he had to not let it be

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a rape and he says on the nose perks

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just going to get a little forward with

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her well if you've seen the episode if

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your listeners have seen it he's on top

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of her he's got her pinned to the floor

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and she has to scratch his face to get

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him off well when that aired Star Trek

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is winning its timeslot for the first 30

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minutes and when that attempted rape

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took place it dropped to number three

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and NBC sent him a memo the next day

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saying we will not rerun this episode

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don't ever do this to us again it's in

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the book you could read it and so it was

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these type of battles between him and

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the network that made NBC kept pushing

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Star Trek to worst timeslots later at

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night not promoting it trying to get rid

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of it one of the most difficult things

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you're gonna laugh one of the most

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difficult things to do in Hollywood is

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figure out the network's you can't do it

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bad you can't it is the biggest mystery

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and if you figure it out mark let me

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know you know we can write that book

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together but you cannot control or

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predict what network is going to do

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Kenya well back then he always used to

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say we're we're just trying to sell

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underarm deodorant I mean that was the N

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toothpaste that was the main goal of the

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network is to put on non offensive

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programming that they could run their

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commercials in and sell these products

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it's gotten more edgy now I mean you've

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had shows like Dexter and The Sopranos

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and so forth surprise was on HBO and

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Dexter and so you got those type of

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channels but even on primetime TV it's

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getting a little more edgy and has been

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for a while but it's still your it's

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which way the network's wind does blow

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and the new executives come in every

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couple years and the policies change so

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yeah you you really you just they tell

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you what they want they send you the

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memos they make it very clear and most

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producers will play by the rules Jeanne

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was one of the few who did not matter of

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fact the second year the original show

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was on NBC did cancel it but they got

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over a million protests that people were

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marching on Rockefeller Plaza they were

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marching on Burbank

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NBC in Burbank and they got over a

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million letters and petitions to put it

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back on and they had to put it back on

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for the third year but they stuck it in

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the death slot 10:00 p.m. on Friday

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nights but he was he was fighting them

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every inch of the way because he it was

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important to him to tell these type of

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stories and that's what still it still

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resonates because when we watch this

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show okay the special effects have aged

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the costumes of age they were all state

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of the art for their time as you were

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just talking about with the communicator

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all the things they were doing but the

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thing that still comes across is the

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strength of the characters and the

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themes of those those episodes which is

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beyond anything we were seeing on TV for

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another 20 30 years and if you think

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about what was going on at the same time

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you know The Andy Williams Show

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sunny and Andy Griffith right that that

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was programming and and Star Trek comes

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along and it wasn't like anything else

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before and it woke a lot of people up

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for sure well when they tried to take it

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off on this that second year NBC

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actually went to urban Allen to see if

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he would do a science fiction show for

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them because he had shows on CBS and ABC

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voice Tom see lost his space

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time tunnel and Erwin played by the

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rules

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he gave the network's what they wanted

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and and they destroyed his shows all his

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shows started off good losses space was

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very film noir serious science fiction

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not as technically accurate as Star Trek

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because he didn't run the scripts

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through NASA like Gene Roddenberry dead

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but but he dr. Smith was a very evil

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character trying to kill the kids

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programming the robot to kill the kids

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but it was scaring the kids and parents

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were writing in and so CBS said either

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get rid of the character or change him

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so they started making the show more of

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a comedy and everybody wondered why why

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does this always happen with Irwin Allen

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shows voice Vamsi became monster of the

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week they couldn't do espionage stories

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anymore like they did in the first year

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what was because the network's didn't

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want those type of shows

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well then Gene Roddenberry comes along

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and boom he's locking buttoned heads and

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locking horns with NBC on almost every

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single episode they made that's what

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ended up getting Star Trek taken off the

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air now all all great artists steal

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right and with Gene the the vision of

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the future when it comes to everything

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from the communicators and and and and

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the the weapons to teleportation and all

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of these things warp drives right all of

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these ideas came from somewhere I want

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to go in a bit on to where these things

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went to but where did did Gene have a

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crystal ball you know or did he have

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somebody else suggest these ideas to him

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or was he just a prophet gene really was

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a visionary right and he read a lot of

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science fiction and he wrote a lot of

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fiction he had a great imagination and

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and sitting in a room with him pitching

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to him and I felt this and every other

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writer who ever pitched to him said he

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was the best producer ever to pitch to

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because you would put that idea out

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there and like you said we're sitting on

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a couch talking that's what it was like

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being in his office and he would just

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pick it up and you'd start bouncing back

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and forth and would start to develop

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itself and its ideas is it were terrific

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he was very open-minded he very

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well-read he knew all this stuff but he

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hung with scientists he hung with people

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from RAND Corporation from NASA from JPL

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the whole thing he had Isaac Asimov was

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a good friend of his Theodore sturgeon

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robert heinlein and they were always

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talking in these type of concepts that's

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why you saw this stuff coming out of

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that show and the reason we got this

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technology that you mentioned in the the

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opening was from his relationship with

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all these people at JPL and NASA they

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would float these ideas by him and he

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would say yeah let's use that let's put

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him in well we know there's so much

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about the way that Kubrick and arthur c

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clarke you know brought in the nasa

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consultants and everything was rinsed

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through that and filtered and approved

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you know to be Kubrick wanted that

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standard and you just mentioned that

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Roddenberry was doing the same thing

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with NASA was it because he wanted to

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make sure that it would not only hold up

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for the audience but under scientific

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scrutiny - yes his exact line to them

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and it's in quite a few of his memos

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that we correspond with the people at

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NASA was he'd send all the scripts over

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all the treatments over and he would say

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I don't need it to be plausible but I

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need everything in the show to be

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possible I want you guys to be able to

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watch the show and not laugh at it so

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everything you saw in Star Trek was

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possible they said we can't do this now

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but we think in 200 years 300 years this

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will be possible and so there were

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science backing everything up what I

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find interesting today is when I speak

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to a physicist or I hear a physicist say

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or a scientist where they're working on

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these developments and then go what you

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know I watch Star Trek when I was a kid

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and I wanted to build a warp drive I

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wanted to build a transporter I wanted

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to you know and isn't how rewarding that

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must have been for Roddenberry because

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he he literally created a generation of

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free thinking kids because of Star Trek

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well the guy who invented the cell phone

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for Motorola he designed it he used

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Kirk's flip open communicator as the

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prototype

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for that you remember if you're anywhere

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near my age and is if you went into a

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Safeway you stepped on a mat and that

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made the door open Star Trek came on

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with the sensors that would make doors

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open and now we have them things we just

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take for granted now that we have

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Spock's computer became the Internet and

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the PC McCoy's scanner became the MRI

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and the cat scan the first time we saw

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DVDs and CDs was on Star Trek and and

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Bluetooth your had one screwed into her

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ear Rock had one screwed it is the

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Bluetooth and that was another 30 years

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35 years before we saw those but it was

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on Star Trek

544
00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:44,800
now you said yeah everybody borrows from

545
00:24:48,270 --> 00:24:46,270
everything else well the first time you

546
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:48,280
saw a transporter I believe was in the

547
00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:51,790
movie the fly was David Hedison and if Y

548
00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:53,470
got into the transporter chamber with

549
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:55,870
her and he became a half man half fly

550
00:25:00,510 --> 00:24:59,050
but it hadn't been on a TV show and the

551
00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:00,520
reason they came up with a lot of these

552
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:03,640
ideas or decided to do it was budget

553
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:05,260
they couldn't afford to land the

554
00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:07,690
enterprise on a planet every week and it

555
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:09,460
would take too long he thought if we

556
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:12,130
could beam them down that'll get us into

557
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:13,960
the story so much quicker and it'll save

558
00:25:22,460 --> 00:25:16,330
us a lot of money that's the same reason

559
00:25:31,260 --> 00:25:27,810
oh man and this is what's really really

560
00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:31,270
funny tell me that you didn't every time

561
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:34,030
you flipped open your Motorola RAZR that

562
00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:39,070
you didn't think you were Kirk I I kept

563
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:40,990
a flip open phone Manny I thought for

564
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:42,730
several years after the smart phone came

565
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,530
out because I just loved it I love to

566
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:46,000
pull it open and flip it open but

567
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:47,650
eventually it came up with so many

568
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:50,920
gadgets we had to make the move and the

569
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:53,370
the other thing that I wanted to ask you

570
00:25:58,980 --> 00:25:57,490
the the simplicity of the set of the

571
00:26:03,750 --> 00:25:58,990
bridge let's just talk about the bridge

572
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:03,760
very simple right very simple but the

573
00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:06,010
audience was okay with that it wasn't

574
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:09,060
like it was some technical over-the-top

575
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:13,000
attempt at technology it was actually a

576
00:26:16,649 --> 00:26:14,080
very simplest

577
00:26:19,139 --> 00:26:16,659
to accept and I think we find it

578
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:19,149
enduring but nobody had issues with it

579
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:22,990
did they you know every guest star I

580
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,850
talked to I interviewed everybody for

581
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:26,320
these books they're all the guest stars

582
00:26:30,779 --> 00:26:28,390
and and and they were saying when they

583
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:30,789
came to that set they felt it was a set

584
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:32,289
that had been stolen from a motion

585
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:35,130
picture because for television it was

586
00:26:40,919 --> 00:26:38,289
incredible and the bridge was built into

587
00:26:43,049 --> 00:26:40,929
eight sections like a pie wedges of a

588
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:43,059
pie that you could pull out so they can

589
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:44,769
move the camera and get different angles

590
00:26:48,659 --> 00:26:46,210
and then they would push that wedge back

591
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:48,669
in but all these wedges were hooked up

592
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:50,799
to electricity all the flashing lights

593
00:26:56,639 --> 00:26:53,769
everything you had so and it was split

594
00:27:00,360 --> 00:26:56,649
leveled so it was pretty really pretty

595
00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:00,370
sophisticated for 1964 when they did the

596
00:27:05,159 --> 00:27:03,220
first pilot and 66 from the show one on

597
00:27:07,649 --> 00:27:05,169
the air we hadn't seen anything quite

598
00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:07,659
like that on television now you can look

599
00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:09,070
at it and think okay it's pretty simple

600
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:10,179
we've seen a lot of science-fiction

601
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:13,059
movies in the years that have come but

602
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:15,250
for them when that show premiered I

603
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:16,750
hadn't seen anything like that I was

604
00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:19,570
blown away instantly now before we head

605
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:21,429
to the break I just wanted to ask you do

606
00:27:28,019 --> 00:27:24,730
you have a favorite episode oh yeah what

607
00:27:30,509 --> 00:27:28,029
is it I have this side of paradise I

608
00:27:33,149 --> 00:27:30,519
think may be my favorite episode and you

609
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,159
may have a clip for that Dorothy wrote

610
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:35,200
it and she's on there talking about it

611
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:39,580
for the audiobook it's because that's

612
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:41,380
the one where Spock gets shot by spores

613
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:44,830
and he falls in love and which he hadn't

614
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:46,360
done before on that show Leonard Nimoy

615
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:47,830
was very nervous about that because he

616
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:49,779
had just gotten a hold of the character

617
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:51,010
and now in the first season they're

618
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,120
doing an episode where he's going to

619
00:27:57,389 --> 00:27:55,120
fall in love but it you know every

620
00:27:59,279 --> 00:27:57,399
episode of Star Trek was about Kirk he's

621
00:28:01,950 --> 00:27:59,289
the storyteller he's doing the Captain's

622
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Log and genes mammals he always said you

623
00:28:06,029 --> 00:28:04,330
got to make it about Kirk and even when

624
00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:06,039
you have an episode like that which

625
00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:07,750
seems like it's about Spock

626
00:28:12,539 --> 00:28:09,820
it's about Kirk they all leave the ship

627
00:28:14,129 --> 00:28:12,549
he's left alone on the enterprise and he

628
00:28:16,919 --> 00:28:14,139
has to figure out a way to get them back

629
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:16,929
and so he was the driving force behind

630
00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:18,610
that so when you see that you've got

631
00:28:22,529 --> 00:28:21,220
great drama you got those conflicts

632
00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:22,539
what's he going to do to get the crew

633
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,000
back you seen spot fall in love and that

634
00:28:28,169 --> 00:28:27,760
pointment line at the end where he turns

635
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:28,179
to

636
00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:29,830
and he says for the first time in my

637
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:33,460
life I was happy there are so many yeah

638
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:38,559
so many lines you know things that come

639
00:28:41,159 --> 00:28:40,119
to mind first I've got to take a break

640
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:41,169
here in 15 seconds

641
00:28:48,749 --> 00:28:44,289
but captain can you beam this up a warm

642
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:48,759
cup of coffee you know things like that

643
00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:51,490
that just stick with you over the years

644
00:28:55,710 --> 00:28:53,860
let's take our break right here this is

645
00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:55,720
fade to black I am your host Jimmy

646
00:29:01,919 --> 00:28:59,110
Church this is our Star Trek special

647
00:29:04,889 --> 00:29:01,929
event and tonight we have both Marc

648
00:29:06,749 --> 00:29:04,899
Cushman and bitman Anya are both here

649
00:29:08,639 --> 00:29:06,759
all right Vic's gonna join us at the

650
00:29:10,499 --> 00:29:08,649
bottom of the hour when we come back

651
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,509
we're going to talk about DC Fontana

652
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:13,360
we're gonna play some you know what

653
00:29:18,029 --> 00:29:15,129
we'll talk about this after the break

654
00:29:20,190 --> 00:29:18,039
but I've got a couple of clips and DC

655
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:20,200
left this earth last week so we'll talk

656
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:22,360
about all of that when we come back stay

657
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:22,940
with it

658
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:42,860
[Music]

659
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:45,070
welcome back pay the block I'm your host

660
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,960
Jimmy church tonight our Star Trek

661
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:49,360
special event they have author Mark

662
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Cushman here Vic Montagna it's gonna be

663
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:53,170
with this in a few short minutes at the

664
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:55,270
bottom of the hour and we're talking

665
00:30:02,760 --> 00:29:57,610
about Star Trek all of it all night

666
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,770
tonight and you know mark we've we've

667
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:05,200
had this show booked as you know for for

668
00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:10,090
a few weeks now and with the in the

669
00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:11,980
middle of all of this

670
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:14,679
DC Fontana passed away on December 9th

671
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:17,530
at the age of 80 and I just thought whoa

672
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:20,410
you know but 80 years old that's great

673
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:22,120
but I didn't want to put a damper on

674
00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:24,490
tonight but we certainly need to

675
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:25,300
celebrate

676
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:29,710
you know her contributions to Star Trek

677
00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:33,030
and it really can't be measured can it I

678
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:36,700
think she was a single best writer on

679
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:38,830
the original Star Trek and on next

680
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:42,820
generation and maybe even Babylon 5 even

681
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:44,590
more so than Gene Roddenberry and Jenko

682
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:47,500
we were both great writers but when I

683
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:49,900
look at my personal favorite episodes

684
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:52,510
they think I always have DC's Fontana

685
00:30:57,570 --> 00:30:55,210
stamped on him journey of Babel where we

686
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,580
meet sparks parents this side of

687
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:58,960
Paradise which we were just talking

688
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:01,480
about a moment ago Charley acts and we

689
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:03,370
just lost Robert Walker Jr who was

690
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:06,130
Charlie in Charlie X he died I think the

691
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:09,700
day after Dorothy and so she really

692
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:12,940
cranked out incredible scripts and is

693
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:15,250
the story editor of the show she was

694
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,260
rewriting a lot of the other scripts so

695
00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:19,600
her stamp is definitely there in that

696
00:31:24,270 --> 00:31:21,640
series and then she continued on with

697
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:24,280
the animated series next generation and

698
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:28,780
beyond and where did her foundation for

699
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:32,350
science fiction come from you know she

700
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:35,350
started writing westerns and and that's

701
00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:36,670
when she came up with the name DC

702
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:39,460
Fontana because women weren't really you

703
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:41,980
didn't go to women to get westerns or

704
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:44,650
science fiction and if she'd put Dorothy

705
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:46,090
Fontana up there she probably would have

706
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,160
been selling the scripts but but she

707
00:31:52,919 --> 00:31:50,320
started very early with Star Trek she

708
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:52,929
was Gene Roddenberry secretary and she

709
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:54,700
had sold a couple Western scripts to

710
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,930
other shows

711
00:32:00,210 --> 00:31:58,000
and she said could I have a crack at

712
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:00,220
doing a script and he had a story that

713
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:02,500
he'd come up with Charlie axe and gave

714
00:32:06,510 --> 00:32:04,300
it to her and that was her first script

715
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:06,520
and then she wrote another incredible

716
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:08,350
episode called tomorrow is yesterday

717
00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:10,990
where the enterprise gets thrown back in

718
00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:14,200
time and it's spotted as a UFO and jets

719
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:15,880
are scrambled and they go after it in

720
00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:19,330
the year 1967 and and they have to beam

721
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:22,180
the pilot aboard and and the whole thing

722
00:32:28,020 --> 00:32:24,490
and then she decided paradise and on and

723
00:32:30,540 --> 00:32:28,030
on she just was a great imaginative

724
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:30,550
writer and she took to science fiction

725
00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:32,170
she told me once that she said you know

726
00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:33,940
westerns of science fiction are the same

727
00:32:39,030 --> 00:32:36,430
to her they're both period pieces and

728
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:39,040
they're both character stories you get

729
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:41,050
rid of a lot of the stuff when you go

730
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:42,670
back to a Western and you're out there

731
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:44,530
on the plains no cell phones nothing to

732
00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:46,450
help you well the same thing in deep

733
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:48,160
space they got the communicators but

734
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:50,740
they're way out there and so she loved

735
00:32:57,770 --> 00:32:53,800
writing those type of things I've got a

736
00:33:03,510 --> 00:32:57,780
couple of Clips here I want to play and

737
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:03,520
which one do you want to do first this

738
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:04,900
side of paradise because we've mentioned

739
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:07,210
the episode and it's a shorter clip I

740
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:08,530
think is about two minutes the other one

741
00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:11,710
is a little bit longer but you hear her

742
00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:14,440
she just recorded her part last year

743
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:17,620
sounds like she's in her 30s she was so

744
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:20,530
still so busy teaching at AFI she was

745
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:23,850
writing a new book and she became ill

746
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:27,400
very quickly died peacefully we were all

747
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:30,100
stunned none of us were expecting it but

748
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,140
this is the the episode where she got to

749
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:33,760
be the story editor for Star Trek

750
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:35,140
because they were having problems with

751
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:37,270
this script the Jerry Saul had written

752
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:39,430
and Jane handed it to her and he said if

753
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:41,140
you can rewrite this and make it work

754
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:43,210
you're going to be the new story editor

755
00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:45,130
on the series yeah let's uh check this

756
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:49,630
out chapter 33 episode 25 this side of

757
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:53,320
paradise teleplay by DC Fontana Jill

758
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Ireland guest stars as Leila the first

759
00:34:00,210 --> 00:33:58,210
woman with whom the normally unemotional

760
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:00,220
mr. Spock falls in love following the

761
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:03,010
discovery of a drug like plant paradise

762
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:05,260
offers an examination of duty and

763
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:07,810
responsibility the dangers of repressed

764
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:08,510
emotion

765
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:10,940
and a warning for the growing drug

766
00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:14,600
culture of the 1960s the story behind

767
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,350
the story Dorothea Fontana's gamble

768
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:20,720
resigning as Roddenberry secretary to

769
00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:22,970
become a full-fledged screenwriter had

770
00:34:26,169 --> 00:34:23,840
paid off

771
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:26,179
now her former boss had nothing to lose

772
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:27,980
and offering her a shot at being on

773
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:32,690
staff nonetheless for 1966 it was a bold

774
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:33,370
move

775
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:36,409
Fontana later said to have a woman's

776
00:34:41,770 --> 00:34:38,510
story editor on an action-adventure show

777
00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:41,780
that was unheard of Jean came to me and

778
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:43,580
said we have a script that's not working

779
00:34:47,590 --> 00:34:45,530
and we'd like you to do a rewrite on it

780
00:34:49,090 --> 00:34:47,600
and if you can do a fast rewrite that

781
00:34:51,370 --> 00:34:49,100
satisfies the network and the studio

782
00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:51,380
then I'll invite you to join us as story

783
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:54,679
editor it was an offer a struggling

784
00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:56,419
writer who had just quit her day job

785
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:00,620
could not refuse so Fontana said okay

786
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:03,260
and what she was handed would be come

787
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:06,770
this side of paradise she later recalled

788
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:08,660
I looked at the script and thought about

789
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:11,150
it and there were two problems one the

790
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:13,130
love interest was for Sulu nothing wrong

791
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:14,750
with George Takei and I really like

792
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:16,310
George but he wasn't one of the

793
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:18,230
heavyweight stars of the show and if

794
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:19,700
you're going to have a love story you're

795
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:20,990
going to have to have it with one of

796
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:23,330
them and with the spores you could make

797
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:25,010
it Spock and you could make it a very

798
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:27,170
emotional story harking back a little to

799
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,210
the naked time what will happen when

800
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:31,520
Spock is out of control only this time

801
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:33,710
in terms of love the other thing that

802
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:35,300
was wrong with it was that the spores

803
00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:37,550
which were the infection were in a cave

804
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:39,500
and they kind of fumbled and bounced up

805
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:41,390
and down like ping-pong balls and after

806
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,730
that was don't go in the cave so by

807
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:45,440
making them a part of a plant that was

808
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:46,490
all over the planet

809
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:48,730
anybody could be infected at any time

810
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:53,450
everybody was at risk with Fontana's

811
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,700
rewrite she had passed Roddenberry's

812
00:36:01,870 --> 00:35:58,400
test and Star Trek found its new story

813
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:01,880
at it you know what is fascinating about

814
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:06,530
that is that when most people watch a

815
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:09,950
series certainly with Star Trek it's

816
00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:11,060
it's there too

817
00:36:18,190 --> 00:36:13,340
but when they watch a series they don't

818
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:18,200
understand how much a thought is going

819
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:21,770
into a script it's not easy to do

820
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:24,530
and it needs to be done the correct way

821
00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:28,910
I taught screenwriting for many years at

822
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:33,140
a Los Angeles very very area college and

823
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:35,150
the the thing that always surprised me

824
00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:37,010
about the students is first they didn't

825
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:39,020
know what theme was I would ask them and

826
00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:42,350
nobody knew and secondly they would come

827
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:46,280
up with contrived mechanical drama and a

828
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:47,960
Dorothy Todd screenwriting as well as

829
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:50,570
AFI because a lot of thought does go

830
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:52,610
into this but really you just you just

831
00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:54,920
have to ask yourself you know what would

832
00:37:00,580 --> 00:36:56,870
be the greatest challenge for this

833
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:00,590
character and get into them get deep

834
00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:02,870
into them under the skin and that's what

835
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,780
separates good writing from bad writing

836
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:07,040
and when you look at the original Star

837
00:37:10,570 --> 00:37:08,450
Trek and when you look at Dorothy's

838
00:37:14,830 --> 00:37:10,580
scripts you see good write and you see

839
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:14,840
the best writing I'm sorry I had mic off

840
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:20,330
button on you gotta love live radio and

841
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:24,650
and certainly this is the other part did

842
00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:28,430
Jean know I mean did he have certainly

843
00:37:35,110 --> 00:37:31,670
he has hopes and dreams but did he have

844
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:35,120
did he have any idea the impact that

845
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:37,730
Star Trek was going to have and the

846
00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:40,670
legacy that it would have for decades to

847
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:41,000
come

848
00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:43,250
did he really understand that at the

849
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:46,220
beginning none of them did I mean they

850
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:47,990
were hoping just to get picked up at the

851
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:49,610
mid-season and get picked up for another

852
00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:52,460
season with the goal of doing at least

853
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:55,160
five seasons and John d/f black told me

854
00:37:59,110 --> 00:37:56,450
that that's why they came up with the

855
00:38:01,630 --> 00:37:59,120
line the five year mission his five

856
00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:01,640
seasons so they could have about a

857
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:04,430
hundred and fifty episodes they knew

858
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,770
they were doing something special they

859
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:08,960
all felt it because they'd all done work

860
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:10,850
for other shows and there wasn't a show

861
00:38:14,110 --> 00:38:12,290
like this where you could do that type

862
00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:14,120
of writing and they had such a great

863
00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:16,940
cast and and the premise was just so

864
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,550
wide open to go anywhere and do anything

865
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:21,680
and Jane encouraged them to come up with

866
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:23,870
stories that were risque so they knew

867
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:25,610
they were doing something special but

868
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:27,530
would it catch on would at last they

869
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,570
have no idea and all of them were

870
00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:32,240
surprised to this day you know that I

871
00:38:35,259 --> 00:38:33,710
mean what I would sit and have dinner

872
00:38:38,529 --> 00:38:35,269
with Dorothy and we would talk

873
00:38:40,209 --> 00:38:38,539
about it she was just surprised legacy

874
00:38:42,339 --> 00:38:40,219
continued and that there's another

875
00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:42,349
series on now discovery Star Trek

876
00:38:46,029 --> 00:38:43,640
discovery

877
00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:46,039
none of them predicted this and and

878
00:38:51,849 --> 00:38:48,109
another thing that I find interesting is

879
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:51,859
that as certainly here in Hollywood that

880
00:38:58,419 --> 00:38:55,279
if you want if you really want as close

881
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,429
to a sure thing as getting a script

882
00:39:02,979 --> 00:39:00,079
picked up and getting the green light

883
00:39:05,529 --> 00:39:02,989
and going into production is a good

884
00:39:08,499 --> 00:39:05,539
science fiction maybe some aliens maybe

885
00:39:12,309 --> 00:39:08,509
an invasion on earth but that's that's

886
00:39:14,999 --> 00:39:12,319
that's a pretty sure fire way of getting

887
00:39:20,529 --> 00:39:15,009
something at least the door open but if

888
00:39:24,189 --> 00:39:20,539
you replicate the hero's journey and and

889
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:24,199
and do a Star Trek like picture or film

890
00:39:33,759 --> 00:39:30,169
or TV series it works because it's the

891
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,769
the audience gets that that idea and I

892
00:39:38,889 --> 00:39:35,359
don't want to say that you know go out

893
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,899
and and and clone something but it's

894
00:39:43,899 --> 00:39:41,599
Star Trek had all of those elements it

895
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:43,909
had the hero's journey it had the

896
00:39:47,859 --> 00:39:45,649
character development and it was

897
00:39:52,059 --> 00:39:47,869
well-written and don't fix it if it's

898
00:39:54,849 --> 00:39:52,069
not broke right right well gene based

899
00:39:56,939 --> 00:39:54,859
Star Trek in a way on two things one was

900
00:39:59,620 --> 00:39:56,949
a movie called Forbidden Planet yeah

901
00:40:00,849 --> 00:39:59,630
which is just an amazing movie and if

902
00:40:02,469 --> 00:40:00,859
you think about it that could have been

903
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:02,479
an episode of Star Trek but he came

904
00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:04,849
first and the other thing was a book

905
00:40:10,689 --> 00:40:08,779
series called Horatio Hornblower about a

906
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:10,699
British naval officer back in the days

907
00:40:15,549 --> 00:40:13,729
of the the high mast ships going out

908
00:40:17,289 --> 00:40:15,559
into oceans that hadn't been explored

909
00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:17,299
before in islands that have never been

910
00:40:23,409 --> 00:40:20,719
visited before and fighting pirates and

911
00:40:27,249 --> 00:40:23,419
and the French and whoever and the

912
00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:27,259
Spanish and and so he thought let's take

913
00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:29,229
that premise and put it in outer space

914
00:40:33,429 --> 00:40:31,849
now or when Allen was pretty imagine it

915
00:40:35,529 --> 00:40:33,439
to he looked at Swiss Family Robinson

916
00:40:37,929 --> 00:40:35,539
and said let's make it Space Family

917
00:40:39,819 --> 00:40:37,939
Robinson loss of space he looked at the

918
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:39,829
time machine and said let's do time tano

919
00:40:46,749 --> 00:40:43,909
he looked at Jules Verne and said let's

920
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:46,759
do voice upon the sea so but but with

921
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,810
Jean in

922
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:49,520
he wanted to do more than just entertain

923
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,760
he wanted to educate enlighten and look

924
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:55,040
into the future and as you said the

925
00:40:59,500 --> 00:40:56,630
crystal ball but the crystal ball was

926
00:41:02,290 --> 00:40:59,510
all of his friends from NASA and JPL so

927
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:02,300
with that premise I I can't think of one

928
00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:04,670
if you do please tell me but I can't

929
00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:06,620
think of a TV show that had such a wide

930
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:08,270
open premise where you could go anywhere

931
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:11,870
and do anything but but the real magic

932
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:13,940
of it was that the enterprise was out

933
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:16,010
where no one had gone before no man had

934
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:18,170
gone before and so they couldn't just

935
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:20,330
pick up a phone and say hey we need help

936
00:41:24,610 --> 00:41:22,730
we need backup they're out there and

937
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:24,620
matter of fact they always did things

938
00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:27,470
where they said subspace radio to would

939
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:29,870
take a week to get a reply so it was

940
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:32,060
always on Kirk shoulders to make

941
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:34,460
decisions and that was we had not seen

942
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:36,050
something like that on television for

943
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:40,520
sure when when I was a kid and I would

944
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,540
watch a specific episode and they would

945
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:46,550
pull up oh this is an uncharted planet

946
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,370
right this is a nut I would always hear

947
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:52,640
that statement and think to myself how

948
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:54,980
could everything be undiscovered how

949
00:42:01,360 --> 00:41:57,770
could these be uncharted that is a

950
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:01,370
vision of the future for gene and and

951
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:05,840
for DC that is spot on because today

952
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:08,150
where we now know that there is a

953
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:11,090
hundred billion planets in our Milky Way

954
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:14,030
alone that are earth light right that's

955
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:17,270
a crazy number but you can't chart all

956
00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:19,370
of those planets you can't name all of

957
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:21,560
those planets and if you and I were out

958
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:25,100
on our starship cruising around and we

959
00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:27,580
pull up to something it is going to be

960
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:31,880
uncharted right and it's it's crazy if

961
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:33,710
you're pushing to the new frontier well

962
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:36,170
that's right enterprise was it wasn't

963
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:37,910
guarding the earth it wasn't sitting

964
00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:40,670
back and discovered territory it's out

965
00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:44,360
on the actual edge of the frontier going

966
00:42:49,090 --> 00:42:46,460
further and further out there and as you

967
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:49,100
said those numbers are true and those

968
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:51,890
are in the the proposal that Jean wrote

969
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:54,890
that sold the series to Lucille Ball you

970
00:43:01,630 --> 00:42:58,880
know and she sold it to NBC uppsala who

971
00:43:04,569 --> 00:43:01,640
worked for her is that that you have

972
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:04,579
millions of planets and so even if you

973
00:43:08,979 --> 00:43:07,249
think only one out of a million yeah

974
00:43:10,809 --> 00:43:08,989
billions so if only one out of a million

975
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:10,819
could support life you're still going to

976
00:43:14,829 --> 00:43:12,380
have thousands and thousands of planets

977
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:14,839
that could support life so that that he

978
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:17,569
said we can go anywhere didn't didn't

979
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:20,329
Jean I could be wrong here correct me

980
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:22,249
but didn't Jean have the Drake Equation

981
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:27,200
in that original pitch yes absolutely

982
00:43:33,099 --> 00:43:30,890
and and that that's what perked up

983
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:33,109
everybody's ears is they saw the

984
00:43:37,749 --> 00:43:35,960
potential you know I mean other shows

985
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:37,759
that we're on at the time and excellent

986
00:43:42,279 --> 00:43:39,410
shows but you look at the fugitive well

987
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:42,289
how many different buses can you get off

988
00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:43,819
of and different towns can you go to

989
00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:46,339
before it starts feeling all the same

990
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,859
and it feels formula but this thing you

991
00:43:53,259 --> 00:43:50,480
know you just keep pushing through that

992
00:43:56,529 --> 00:43:53,269
barrier and it isn't that fascinating

993
00:43:59,130 --> 00:43:56,539
because as as adults we acquire

994
00:44:03,549 --> 00:43:59,140
knowledge right we understand things now

995
00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:03,559
but this is 50 years ago right we are

996
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:06,349
achieving scientific knowledge today at

997
00:44:12,789 --> 00:44:09,230
a breakneck speed but this is the stuff

998
00:44:16,299 --> 00:44:12,799
that Jean was basing everything on back

999
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:16,309
then we know that now but to have that

1000
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:18,410
vision 50 years ago I think is

1001
00:44:23,579 --> 00:44:20,150
absolutely extraordinary

1002
00:44:26,650 --> 00:44:23,589
he was definitely ahead of his time and

1003
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:26,660
you know that's why I wanted to do these

1004
00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:29,420
books is because when he gave me access

1005
00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:31,880
to his memos and we're talking thousands

1006
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:34,579
and thousands of memos hundreds through

1007
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:37,220
almost every episode and you just you

1008
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:39,380
read his thoughts he would dictate these

1009
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:41,480
things late at night after he got back

1010
00:44:45,279 --> 00:44:43,369
from the studio he'd pour himself a

1011
00:44:47,799 --> 00:44:45,289
drink light his cigarette pick up the

1012
00:44:49,989 --> 00:44:47,809
dictaphone and he would start making up

1013
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,999
a story we're giving notes on the script

1014
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:51,920
that had been written and when you read

1015
00:44:57,549 --> 00:44:54,980
his his words and his ideas in these

1016
00:44:59,769 --> 00:44:57,559
actual memos it's quite staggering and

1017
00:45:01,839 --> 00:44:59,779
the same thing for Dorothy the same

1018
00:45:03,729 --> 00:45:01,849
thing for Jane Bob justman and all

1019
00:45:05,309 --> 00:45:03,739
of them but but Jean was definitely the

1020
00:45:08,499 --> 00:45:05,319
visionary and he was leading the charge

1021
00:45:11,739 --> 00:45:08,509
as a writer of science fiction and

1022
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:11,749
certainly you followed everything that

1023
00:45:15,579 --> 00:45:14,150
went down in in the late 60s and early

1024
00:45:17,099 --> 00:45:15,589
70s with

1025
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:17,109
you know the Apollo program and

1026
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:19,970
exploration and future bases on the moon

1027
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:25,490
and hotel satellites and Mars base and

1028
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,740
everything was the flying cars right

1029
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:29,180
everything was the future future future

1030
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:31,790
and then the brakes got put on

1031
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:34,310
everything in 1974 and everything came

1032
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:37,910
to a screeching halt did you ever think

1033
00:45:42,099 --> 00:45:39,980
that we would not have returned to the

1034
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:42,109
moon and it would have take though until

1035
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:45,290
2024 to do this No

1036
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:48,260
yeah I know it's amazing and you know

1037
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:50,150
Trump seems to me determined that we're

1038
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:51,890
going to get back out there he's kind of

1039
00:45:56,859 --> 00:45:55,010
doing what Kennedy was doing and wanting

1040
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,869
to get it back on track so we got to

1041
00:46:02,170 --> 00:45:58,160
give him some credit for that whether

1042
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:02,180
you like him or not but it just became

1043
00:46:07,530 --> 00:46:05,450
dormant and and I understand why you

1044
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,540
know the country went into a recession

1045
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:09,680
everybody is worried about money there

1046
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:11,900
were so many problems here on earth that

1047
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,450
the attention came back here but that's

1048
00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:15,920
one of the problems you know I think one

1049
00:46:20,829 --> 00:46:17,780
of the things that United the world the

1050
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:20,839
entire world was united in August of

1051
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,210
1969 when man first walked on the moon

1052
00:46:28,329 --> 00:46:25,520
and people were watching it all around

1053
00:46:29,859 --> 00:46:28,339
the globe and when Apollo 13 was in

1054
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:29,869
trouble people were watching it all

1055
00:46:33,849 --> 00:46:31,369
around the globe and you had people in

1056
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:33,859
China and people in Europe and people in

1057
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,930
Japan all worrying about these

1058
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:38,000
astronauts and it took people's

1059
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:40,670
attention off of all of our bickering

1060
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:42,050
and all of the things that go on here

1061
00:46:47,170 --> 00:46:45,380
and put it out there and I hope we can

1062
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:47,180
do that again because we need to more

1063
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:47,690
than ever

1064
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,050
I wish we had Jean here it was he would

1065
00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:53,359
try to find a way to get us to get our

1066
00:46:58,300 --> 00:46:56,060
heads back into the stars well there is

1067
00:47:01,900 --> 00:46:58,310
something that I find very interesting

1068
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:01,910
that's going down today and I cannot

1069
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:05,000
help but think of a Star Trek every time

1070
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:07,130
I hear this and which is the space force

1071
00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:11,060
and it seems that right it seems that

1072
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:15,140
we're finally taking that approach

1073
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:17,990
everything that's Star Trek presented to

1074
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:20,060
us where we should have been 20 years

1075
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:24,140
ago back at night the scientists have

1076
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,569
known for a long time and I've watched

1077
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:28,500
shows where scientists or interviews

1078
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,510
and they would go to Bush and they would

1079
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:32,400
go to Obama and they would say look

1080
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:35,160
north Korea has satellites flying over

1081
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:37,650
our country and if they have a bomb on

1082
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:39,210
one of those satellites and it comes

1083
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:40,890
down far enough into the atmosphere it

1084
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:42,750
can knock out our electrical grids and

1085
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:45,270
we'll have no power anywhere everything

1086
00:47:50,839 --> 00:47:47,849
will fuse and there will be no TV no

1087
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:50,849
radio no cars will work nothing you know

1088
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:53,099
and we have to have a defense against

1089
00:47:56,570 --> 00:47:54,750
this and all the other presidents just

1090
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:56,580
said all that science fiction we don't

1091
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:59,130
care well now you got some people in

1092
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:00,720
there who's starting to care and they're

1093
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:03,800
looking at these things and and I'm

1094
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:06,300
inspired by that I'm happy to hear that

1095
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:07,410
they're starting to look at it not just

1096
00:48:12,859 --> 00:48:10,170
for defensive purposes but for positive

1097
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:12,869
and peaceful purposes too but that's the

1098
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:15,450
new frontier and it's it's up over us

1099
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:17,250
right now there's so much stuff flying

1100
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:19,650
around up there so the the idea of the

1101
00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:22,080
space force I think is something that I

1102
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:23,340
thought would have happened quite a

1103
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:24,930
while ago and I think it's something

1104
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:27,630
that's crucially needed do you think

1105
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:31,410
that the space force is the beginning of

1106
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:36,420
a federation like a Star Trek that we

1107
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:39,780
are now finally going to try to get into

1108
00:48:44,839 --> 00:48:43,020
interstellar and and start exploring out

1109
00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:44,849
there this could be a big you know I

1110
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:47,430
think so and I think it's what we all

1111
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:49,290
thought was going to happen in the 70s

1112
00:48:55,339 --> 00:48:52,280
and the 80s and it got it got delayed

1113
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,349
the whole thing got stalled but you know

1114
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,839
it all comes usually things you know

1115
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:00,599
that most technology is advancements

1116
00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:03,390
come out of military and then they find

1117
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:06,150
peaceful ways to use it you know so I

1118
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:07,950
mean so many things even the frisbee

1119
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:12,270
came from the military oh no it's you

1120
00:49:16,550 --> 00:49:13,800
know we can say hey let's just be

1121
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,560
peaceful and all that stuff but but wait

1122
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:18,240
wait worrying about how to protect

1123
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:19,950
ourselves usually advances the

1124
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:21,630
technology and then we find other things

1125
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:24,599
to do with it God knows what's out there

1126
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:26,670
God knows and we've been turning a blind

1127
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:29,280
eye to it for so long and that's exactly

1128
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:33,150
my point where Star Trek presented it

1129
00:49:37,950 --> 00:49:36,839
not like the other alien for Mars you

1130
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:37,960
know movies

1131
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:40,570
you know they'd be great be movies from

1132
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:44,860
the 50s and 60s but intelligent life and

1133
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:47,650
civilization yes and I'm quoting from

1134
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:54,040
from the DBZ out there today it seems

1135
00:50:01,230 --> 00:49:57,880
like that is front page news now looking

1136
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:01,240
for alien life what do you make of that

1137
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:03,790
do you think that ETS gonna get here

1138
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:05,830
first and present themselves or we're

1139
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:07,750
gonna go out there and find it I think

1140
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:09,430
he is already been here and I'm sure you

1141
00:50:14,070 --> 00:50:12,580
feel that way too I think the reason

1142
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:14,080
they haven't revealed themselves is

1143
00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:17,230
because would you I mean it monitor our

1144
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,990
television you know I mean would you

1145
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:22,720
want to reveal yourself were not mature

1146
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:25,690
enough and we seem like we were on the

1147
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:29,290
verge of it 50 years ago and then

1148
00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:31,410
mankind took a big step backwards

1149
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:35,590
several steps backwards but I think it's

1150
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:37,180
about time we start taking some steps

1151
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:38,980
forward and I think one of the things

1152
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:41,710
that may push it is I think people are

1153
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:44,020
getting very fed up with a lot of things

1154
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:45,910
that are going on and it's going to get

1155
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:48,430
us to unite and look towards something

1156
00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:50,440
positive out there I don't think we have

1157
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:53,320
to look too far and too hard to find et

1158
00:50:59,310 --> 00:50:55,750
I think they found us I think it's been

1159
00:51:00,720 --> 00:50:59,320
pretty close by yeah it's a very simple

1160
00:51:02,670 --> 00:51:00,730
thing we're out there looking for

1161
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:02,680
planets every single day right that's

1162
00:51:07,110 --> 00:51:04,810
what we're doing we're searching well

1163
00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:07,120
et's been doing the same thing probably

1164
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:10,350
a million or two years in front of us

1165
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:13,450
and they've known gene really believed

1166
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:16,960
in interdimensional travel you know he

1167
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:19,690
felt that were we're being visited by

1168
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:21,640
people coming from another dimension or

1169
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:24,520
using interdimensional transportation to

1170
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:25,420
get here

1171
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:30,130
more so than going through vast reaches

1172
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:32,560
of space that was something he was very

1173
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:34,270
intrigued by and he thought was a real

1174
00:51:37,830 --> 00:51:36,520
possibility well and and

1175
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:37,840
we're gonna head towards a break here

1176
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:40,780
and then we'll bring in thick but the

1177
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:45,430
concept of the warp drive and today that

1178
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:49,090
it this is real physics is taking a look

1179
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:52,450
at this now and the concepts the numbers

1180
00:52:01,170 --> 00:51:56,890
work right a warp drive in concept in

1181
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:01,180
theory is absolutely possible and every

1182
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:03,910
time I hear a physicist either on this

1183
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:06,910
show or otherwise to speak about warp

1184
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:10,800
drives and how they work and and how how

1185
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:13,210
the concept of it where you're not

1186
00:52:18,810 --> 00:52:15,880
actually traveling you're just cutting

1187
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:18,820
space out right you're just the distance

1188
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:21,130
in front of so you're not even achieving

1189
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:24,850
speeds but all of this is because of

1190
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:28,260
Star Trek and that part blows my mind

1191
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:31,090
yeah yeah I mean you know there were

1192
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:32,560
science fiction movies and books that

1193
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,300
went in that area before and called it

1194
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:36,880
hyperdrive or whatever but Star Trek

1195
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:38,290
brought it to a mass audience

1196
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:40,810
the average science fiction book back in

1197
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:42,940
the 60s when the first Star Trek went on

1198
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:45,340
sold and I'm talking about the big books

1199
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:48,220
Hyland's books and as an Oscar so maybe

1200
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,490
60 70 thousand copies and then they

1201
00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:54,400
started doing Star Trek fiction and they

1202
00:53:00,060 --> 00:52:57,220
were selling 600,000 copies of each one

1203
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:00,070
Star Trek really jump-started people's

1204
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:01,750
interest because it was coming in to

1205
00:53:07,170 --> 00:53:04,330
them every week and then every day in

1206
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:07,180
reruns so it did much more than a movie

1207
00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:11,440
could do I mean as good as 2001 is if

1208
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,660
you sat in a room with 10 people and

1209
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:15,040
said how many have seen this movie maybe

1210
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:16,420
one would raise their hand not your

1211
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:18,940
audience but but just people off the

1212
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:20,710
street sure sure but if you say how many

1213
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:22,990
of you have seen Star Trek almost every

1214
00:53:28,140 --> 00:53:25,030
hand goes up that's right so that's the

1215
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:28,150
impact it had and continues to have well

1216
00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:31,570
and you only have to give somebody an

1217
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,600
idea that's all you have to do warp

1218
00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:36,880
drive give them the idea they're gonna

1219
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:37,600
run with it

1220
00:53:43,590 --> 00:53:40,390
the communicator given the idea cats

1221
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,600
can't write just give them the idea and

1222
00:53:49,289 --> 00:53:45,910
they'll figure it out the hardest part

1223
00:53:52,049 --> 00:53:49,299
is getting the idea

1224
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:52,059
it's not implementing it it's getting

1225
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:55,270
the idea first and Star Trek can take

1226
00:54:00,569 --> 00:53:57,700
credit for so many of those things that

1227
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:00,579
we absolutely take for granted today you

1228
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:02,260
ready are you ready you ready to take a

1229
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:05,440
break yep let's do that and when we come

1230
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:07,690
back Vic Montagna is going to be joining

1231
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:10,030
us this is fade to black it's our Star

1232
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:12,520
Trek special event I am your host Jimmy

1233
00:54:18,059 --> 00:54:14,920
Church on the game changer network and

1234
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:18,069
kg RA the planet stay with us we'll be

1235
00:54:21,540 --> 00:54:59,010
[Music]

1236
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:01,390
all right welcome back fade to black our

1237
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:04,850
meals Jimmy Church continuing our Star

1238
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:07,700
Trek special event tonight Vick Minaya

1239
00:55:14,050 --> 00:55:10,850
is a veteran voice actor for more than

1240
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:14,060
300 animated series and video games he's

1241
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:16,370
also a longtime music composer producer

1242
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:18,380
and performer and the executive producer

1243
00:55:22,990 --> 00:55:20,390
of the highly popular web series Star

1244
00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:23,000
Trek continues where he plays Captain

1245
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:25,700
Kirk I would like to welcome back to

1246
00:55:32,590 --> 00:55:28,280
fade to black vic Mignogna bit how you

1247
00:55:35,860 --> 00:55:32,600
doing man it's great to hear your voice

1248
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:35,870
and I was just sitting here thinking

1249
00:55:47,730 --> 00:55:39,050
during the break the last time I saw you

1250
00:55:52,650 --> 00:55:47,740
we we had dinner at Jerry's deli that's

1251
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:52,660
yes Jerry's deli in the hood in the hood

1252
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:55,400
great to have you back and I want to let

1253
00:56:00,460 --> 00:55:57,590
everybody know that Vic is uh is a very

1254
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:00,470
serious working actor and and right now

1255
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:03,770
he's in Texas just got out of rehearsal

1256
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:07,930
for a play and is joining us now but

1257
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:11,950
your your how did they say it your your

1258
00:56:17,590 --> 00:56:15,230
your what do they say with theater

1259
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:17,600
you're walking on wood how did they say

1260
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:28,910
that that saying but yeah I just

1261
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:31,070
finished rehearsal for a show I'm doing

1262
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:33,770
and didn't want to miss the opportunity

1263
00:56:39,580 --> 00:56:37,730
to talk with you Jimmy so I'm just

1264
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:39,590
getting out of the thing I'm sorry if my

1265
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:43,780
audio doesn't sound great but we'll see

1266
00:56:55,540 --> 00:56:47,690
it's the technology of Star Trek that is

1267
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:55,550
allowing you to join us tonight let me

1268
00:57:00,300 --> 00:56:57,710
ask you this you know - I'm gonna ask

1269
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:00,310
you a very serious question

1270
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:04,130
do you do you put on your Captain Kirk

1271
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:05,930
costume and run around the house when

1272
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:13,990
the absolute truth is no but I will tell

1273
00:57:22,330 --> 00:57:17,410
you that I have a very nice plush

1274
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:22,340
Captain Kirk robe like it's like a

1275
00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:25,340
yellow you know command gold robe with

1276
00:57:30,850 --> 00:57:28,220
the black trim and the braid on the arms

1277
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:30,860
and and I do wear that when I get up in

1278
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:32,450
the morning to have some coffee out of

1279
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:36,950
my start now mark mark is with us by the

1280
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:41,420
way Vic Mars mark are you surprised by

1281
00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:45,950
that statement from Vic not at all and

1282
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:48,500
you know it's funny is is people say the

1283
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:50,030
original uniforms looked a little like

1284
00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:53,510
pajamas and I would think Vic would

1285
00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:55,580
sleep in it hey Victor you drink

1286
00:58:06,970 --> 00:57:58,340
fade to black coffee out of that mug you

1287
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:06,980
know I should now okay let's let's let's

1288
00:58:11,770 --> 00:58:09,220
put our serious hat on for a second and

1289
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:11,780
Vic I always enjoy when you're on the

1290
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:15,110
show but yeah we've talked so much about

1291
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:18,050
Star Trek continues but I don't think

1292
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:22,010
I've asked you this when you have the

1293
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:26,000
foundation of the original series to

1294
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:28,360
look back on to observe and to study

1295
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:33,040
does that make Star Trek continues easy

1296
00:58:39,010 --> 00:58:37,010
did it make it easy I would say

1297
00:58:41,710 --> 00:58:39,020
definitely not in fact if you think

1298
00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:41,720
about it if you make something out of

1299
00:58:48,670 --> 00:58:43,820
thin air there is nothing to compare it

1300
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:48,680
to but but with Star Trek you've got a

1301
00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:54,740
very very strong original series you

1302
00:59:03,070 --> 00:58:59,600
know formula that was that was magical

1303
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:03,080
and has stood the test of time and there

1304
00:59:10,030 --> 00:59:06,710
have been dozens and dozens of Star Trek

1305
00:59:12,910 --> 00:59:10,040
fan productions over the years but I

1306
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:12,920
know I'm I know that I'm partial but I

1307
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:15,410
think that it's not easy to do something

1308
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:17,810
like that to the level of the original

1309
00:59:24,090 --> 00:59:20,270
series to tell the kind of stories to

1310
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:24,100
craft the kind of stories episode

1311
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:27,180
casting editing makeup sound design

1312
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:31,180
effects you know all of it

1313
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:35,140
prop sets actors all of it it's not easy

1314
00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:40,150
to do that and I'm very very proud of my

1315
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,420
team we've done I would say it takes

1316
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:45,760
about and I'm sure you've heard this

1317
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:48,790
over and over again but it takes about

1318
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:52,630
five minutes into a pilgrim of a

1319
01:00:02,060 --> 00:59:58,619
eternity to then move past that this is

1320
01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:02,070
Star Trek continues right you you

1321
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:04,900
immediately get absorbed into the

1322
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,570
atmosphere and in the characters and

1323
01:00:21,780 --> 01:00:10,000
you're just watching Star Trek well I

1324
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:21,790
hope and build a set and anybody can

1325
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:25,570
make costumes but what made Star Trek

1326
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:30,190
special what made it of the quality and

1327
01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:33,130
caliber and depth that were still loving

1328
01:00:37,950 --> 01:00:35,020
it and talking about it 50 some years

1329
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:37,960
later were the stories it was the

1330
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:40,780
storytelling it was the it was the

1331
01:00:49,830 --> 01:00:45,010
crafting of a thematic morality play in

1332
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:49,840
a very creative imaginative sci-fi

1333
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:53,080
setting and when you set the bar that

1334
01:00:59,099 --> 01:00:56,350
high it's it's not it's not all that

1335
01:01:01,380 --> 01:00:59,109
easy and when I created Star Trek

1336
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:01,390
continues I thought this is not I don't

1337
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:03,250
want to just make another Star Trek fan

1338
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:07,450
production I want it to be the kind of

1339
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:09,910
quality storytelling that I remember

1340
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:12,340
loved so much about the original series

1341
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:14,830
and I'm so gratified when so many people

1342
01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:17,770
say oh my gosh like I feel like I'm I'm

1343
01:01:25,170 --> 01:01:19,780
watching episodes that were locked in a

1344
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:25,180
vault 50 years ago and the let's talk

1345
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:26,830
about Captain Kirk for a second and

1346
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:31,290
because Shatner is one of the most

1347
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:32,770
imitated

1348
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:35,950
voices out there his cadence and it's

1349
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:37,570
always good for a laugh and when

1350
01:01:43,740 --> 01:01:40,089
somebody does it well we appreciate it

1351
01:01:45,180 --> 01:01:43,750
and it's so recognizable your approach

1352
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:45,190
and this is my opinion

1353
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:48,910
but your approach wasn't to do that but

1354
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:55,990
yet you kind of did and it's not a

1355
01:02:03,329 --> 01:02:00,160
criticism at all what I'm saying is we

1356
01:02:04,650 --> 01:02:03,339
accept you as Kirk but you're not you're

1357
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:04,660
not doing

1358
01:02:10,859 --> 01:02:08,200
Shatner's Kirk right is that was that

1359
01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:10,869
conscious yours here was my approach to

1360
01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:14,440
it Jimmy my approach was I love Bill

1361
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:17,260
Shatner and I love Captain Kirk and the

1362
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:20,020
last thing I would ever want to do would

1363
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:21,970
be for someone to think that I was

1364
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:26,230
mocking or satirizing or somehow doing a

1365
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:30,010
parody of the Shatner cadence of speech

1366
01:02:36,359 --> 01:02:34,630
and movement and gestures so my goal was

1367
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:36,369
to make people feel like they were

1368
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:39,190
watching a continuation of the original

1369
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:42,910
series had it never been canceled so so

1370
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:45,010
my goal for myself as well as the other

1371
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:47,200
actors who were playing all the other

1372
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:52,089
iconic characters was to do our best to

1373
01:02:58,500 --> 01:02:54,250
play them honorably and authentically

1374
01:03:00,720 --> 01:02:58,510
and not do some stereotype of the

1375
01:03:02,579 --> 01:03:00,730
characters you know a lot of the

1376
01:03:05,490 --> 01:03:02,589
characters have have had their own

1377
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:05,500
stereotypes you know George Takei has

1378
01:03:15,089 --> 01:03:09,040
been stereotyped over the years and and

1379
01:03:19,530 --> 01:03:15,099
so has Scotty Nomad and DeForest Kelley

1380
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:19,540
as McCoy and of course Shatner but but I

1381
01:03:22,890 --> 01:03:21,460
didn't want to I didn't want anybody for

1382
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:22,900
a minute to think that we were making

1383
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:25,650
fun of them the best the best

1384
01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:28,440
observation that I hear from people is

1385
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,540
when they say I feel like you weren't

1386
01:03:39,089 --> 01:03:33,760
imitating Shatner you were channeling

1387
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:39,099
him it was more subtle as it was

1388
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:40,720
intended to be and I think I told you

1389
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,150
this before when we would shoot episodes

1390
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:46,240
I would pull my first ad aside before we

1391
01:03:56,970 --> 01:03:46,510
would

1392
01:04:07,740 --> 01:03:56,980
Scotty Whitehurst was our ad Oh do we

1393
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:07,750
just lose him I don't know my zoom mark

1394
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:09,970
but I was on the edge of my seat okay I

1395
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:12,010
can finish that story because I had that

1396
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:14,140
conversation with Nick and we'll get him

1397
01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:17,260
back in a second but he said if I'm if

1398
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:19,900
I'm laying it on a little too heavy let

1399
01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:22,630
me know give me a signal let me pull it

1400
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:25,120
back down and when you watch that show

1401
01:04:29,370 --> 01:04:27,070
I mean Vic isn't like doing an

1402
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:29,380
impression of Bill Shatner you know but

1403
01:04:35,850 --> 01:04:33,130
but the way he'll turn way his posture

1404
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:35,860
the way he'll look through the camera or

1405
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:38,170
right by the camera you just you get

1406
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:39,700
that Bill Shatner thing and they put

1407
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:41,320
that little cut of light across his eyes

1408
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:44,200
a lot of times so you do feel it and

1409
01:04:48,090 --> 01:04:45,970
that's one of the wonderful things we

1410
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:48,100
did a very interesting screening we

1411
01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:50,290
showed Mir mirror from the original show

1412
01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:52,600
and then we showed fairest of them all

1413
01:04:57,810 --> 01:04:55,540
which picks up the story right right at

1414
01:04:59,250 --> 01:04:57,820
the end of Mir mirror and so we showed

1415
01:05:01,110 --> 01:04:59,260
the first episode we went into an

1416
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:01,120
intermission everybody came back and got

1417
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,310
in their seats a few other people and we

1418
01:05:07,830 --> 01:05:05,920
started the second fairest of them all

1419
01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:07,840
and most of these people had not seen

1420
01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:10,030
Star Trek continues and there was a gas

1421
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:13,000
in the room because of the lighting was

1422
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:14,650
the same the sets were the same the

1423
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:16,870
music everything was such a perfect

1424
01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:20,110
match but the talent was so superb at

1425
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:21,790
first you say well that guy doesn't look

1426
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:23,650
that much like Nimoy or whatever but

1427
01:05:28,860 --> 01:05:26,020
after as you just said Jimmy after about

1428
01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:28,870
five minutes the suspension of belief is

1429
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:31,240
gone you're just into it and you're able

1430
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:33,490
to just accept it because they are

1431
01:05:38,250 --> 01:05:35,320
channeling these characters and the

1432
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:38,260
writing is is just key and it's right on

1433
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:41,530
the mark we have Vic back and Vic it's

1434
01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:44,110
talking about the channeling aspect of

1435
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:46,150
this if there's one thing that you

1436
01:05:57,330 --> 01:05:50,950
dialed in though was Kirk's sarcastic

1437
01:05:59,880 --> 01:05:57,340
wit you laugh right sarcastically but

1438
01:06:01,979 --> 01:05:59,890
that that's not an easy thing to do

1439
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:01,989
how did you approach that that part of

1440
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:04,450
it because it's it's comedy and drama

1441
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:10,210
and sarcasm in storytelling you know

1442
01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:14,170
it's funny because most Star Trek fan

1443
01:06:22,229 --> 01:06:19,470
films miss that's something very very

1444
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,239
very much a part of the original series

1445
01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:24,640
that a lot of fan Productions miss and

1446
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:27,460
that is the humor the humor and the and

1447
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:29,890
the sarcasm and that the subtlety of the

1448
01:06:36,049 --> 01:06:33,249
characters you know Spock is more than

1449
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,059
just saying that's illogical or

1450
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:39,039
fascinating and McCoy isn't much more

1451
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:42,220
than saying he's dead gem right and you

1452
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,410
know Scotty is much more than I kind of

1453
01:06:47,489 --> 01:06:46,720
do it cut that I need more time need

1454
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:47,499
more power

1455
01:06:53,999 --> 01:06:50,470
you know I mean the characters are more

1456
01:07:00,210 --> 01:06:54,009
than that and and to get good actors to

1457
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,220
play these roles as we did we were able

1458
01:07:06,359 --> 01:07:02,799
to and good writing by the way in Marc

1459
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:06,369
Marc Cushman here wrote the script for

1460
01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:09,569
our fifth episode divided we stand and

1461
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:12,190
having people write the stories who know

1462
01:07:18,779 --> 01:07:16,569
the voices and understand what they

1463
01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:18,789
sound like and how they relate and

1464
01:07:25,710 --> 01:07:22,420
interact was invaluable there's a

1465
01:07:28,769 --> 01:07:25,720
there's another aspect to this that I

1466
01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:28,779
wanted to address I know that Vic you

1467
01:07:33,059 --> 01:07:29,980
and I have talked about it with Star

1468
01:07:37,799 --> 01:07:33,069
Trek continues but it's very important

1469
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:37,809
which is the music and yes and the music

1470
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:40,930
in the original Star Trek is like the

1471
01:07:48,509 --> 01:07:44,950
fifth Beatle and I I truly mean what I

1472
01:07:49,769 --> 01:07:48,519
am saying here and as a writer and you

1473
01:07:52,019 --> 01:07:49,779
know that you're gonna have those

1474
01:07:54,749 --> 01:07:52,029
elements and that foundation I keep

1475
01:07:57,390 --> 01:07:54,759
saying foundation but it's it's it's the

1476
01:07:58,979 --> 01:07:57,400
reality of it and if you know that

1477
01:08:01,920 --> 01:07:58,989
you've got those cues and you've got

1478
01:08:06,329 --> 01:08:01,930
that music to back up your storytelling

1479
01:08:10,410 --> 01:08:06,339
it's all good oh yeah right let me tell

1480
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:10,420
you Jimmy I I have been involved in

1481
01:08:17,309 --> 01:08:13,570
music twice as long as I've been

1482
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,319
acting since I was about 17 I started

1483
01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:20,080
writing music and singing and playing a

1484
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:23,799
piano and composing and I love music

1485
01:08:29,730 --> 01:08:26,049
from the original series and I had

1486
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:29,740
whenever we would shoot an episode I was

1487
01:08:36,559 --> 01:08:33,040
hearing I had already in many many cases

1488
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:36,569
picked out the exact cues in my mind

1489
01:08:44,849 --> 01:08:40,859
that I wanted to use to punctuate the

1490
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:44,859
scenes and that is so very important

1491
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:48,640
knowing the the mood and the flavor and

1492
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:51,420
the tone of what you want to communicate

1493
01:08:56,039 --> 01:08:54,310
emotionally and being able to find just

1494
01:08:59,039 --> 01:08:56,049
the right news to cue you

1495
01:09:02,340 --> 01:08:59,049
and then being able to edit and

1496
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:02,350
manipulate that cue to match your scene

1497
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:05,710
the same way that the music editor and

1498
01:09:09,630 --> 01:09:07,060
the original series would have done

1499
01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:09,640
because as you know they didn't write

1500
01:09:15,750 --> 01:09:12,670
original music for every episode they

1501
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,760
would they would often regurgitate cues

1502
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:18,400
from previous episodes and they would

1503
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:21,520
have to find just the right emotional

1504
01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:26,530
tone for the scene the tempo yes yes and

1505
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:30,390
I I hope this doesn't sound cocky but

1506
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:36,040
music is my thing and and I I feel like

1507
01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:38,890
I have a really good handle on choosing

1508
01:09:47,460 --> 01:09:43,480
the right music knowing how to adjust it

1509
01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:47,470
and edit it to match the scene and the

1510
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:50,020
beats of the scene and the character's

1511
01:09:57,930 --> 01:09:55,480
reaction just right and and then as you

1512
01:10:00,840 --> 01:09:57,940
may or may not remember Jimmy after our

1513
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:00,850
on our fourth episode a gentleman

1514
01:10:06,180 --> 01:10:04,210
contacted me who teaches composition at

1515
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,190
the Juilliard School in New York City

1516
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,040
and he is a huge fan of Star Trek and

1517
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:11,920
Star Trek continues he offered to write

1518
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:15,820
original music for us and even had a

1519
01:10:25,530 --> 01:10:20,560
full orchestra at his disposal and and

1520
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:25,540
so from episode 4 on we had original

1521
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:27,310
music written

1522
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:30,970
composed and produced with a full

1523
01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:34,210
orchestra for Star Trek continues yeah

1524
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:36,070
if you go to we're going to tell the

1525
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:37,300
audience if you go to Star Trek

1526
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:40,860
continues dot-com there's an excellent

1527
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:44,040
documentary that they put together on

1528
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:46,750
the recording sessions with the

1529
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:49,090
orchestra putting the music together and

1530
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:51,310
then that's when it all kind of makes

1531
01:10:56,490 --> 01:10:54,340
sense to everybody because you're like

1532
01:10:59,100 --> 01:10:56,500
oh man it sounds like an orchestra

1533
01:11:01,200 --> 01:10:59,110
this sounds like custom stuff this

1534
01:11:03,150 --> 01:11:01,210
sounds like right and then it come then

1535
01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:03,160
you watch the documentary and it's like

1536
01:11:08,970 --> 01:11:04,660
it all makes sense of course

1537
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:08,980
yeah because Jimmy nowadays most music

1538
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:11,350
most television movie excuse me

1539
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:14,950
television music scores are done with

1540
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:17,920
keyboards and synthesizers and they're a

1541
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:21,370
series of pads and sounds but back then

1542
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:24,160
there were no such instruments and

1543
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:27,730
samplers and digital instruments and

1544
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,280
soft synths and stuff so everything was

1545
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,280
real instruments so when Andy Farber

1546
01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:35,920
contacted me and wanted to write music

1547
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:38,500
for our series I thought well I would

1548
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:41,920
love that but you can't recreate that

1549
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:44,890
with with synthesizer it would have to

1550
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:49,120
be a real Orchestra and as luck would

1551
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:52,090
have it and you Farber had access to a

1552
01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:54,370
real Orchestra and that's exactly what

1553
01:12:00,090 --> 01:11:57,160
we got and his cues sound just like

1554
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:00,100
original Star Trek hues except they're

1555
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:04,570
not except they're not and and Mark when

1556
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,030
we come back after the break mark I want

1557
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:09,280
to talk about divided we stand Vic and I

1558
01:12:15,150 --> 01:12:11,320
have talked about divided we stand quite

1559
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:15,160
a bit it's an amazing episode but going

1560
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:18,340
back to the music aspect of this now

1561
01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:23,830
you've also got that to do and to work

1562
01:12:29,670 --> 01:12:26,740
with in Star Trek continues where did

1563
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:29,680
the idea for dividing divided least and

1564
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:34,630
come from well I can tell you the idea

1565
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:37,300
came from the fact that I always some of

1566
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:39,130
my favorite episodes of the original

1567
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,170
series were

1568
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:42,880
were the episodes where they went to a

1569
01:12:48,900 --> 01:12:45,730
period in time whether it was Nazi

1570
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:48,910
Germany or ancient Rome or the

1571
01:12:56,370 --> 01:12:53,170
depression whatever I loved those

1572
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:56,380
episode the gangsters of the 20s and so

1573
01:13:02,130 --> 01:12:58,630
I started thinking one day what's a time

1574
01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:02,140
period they never went to well the

1575
01:13:06,690 --> 01:13:04,840
obvious answers was the civil war and as

1576
01:13:09,330 --> 01:13:06,700
I started thinking about the idea I

1577
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:09,340
thought wouldn't it be great if Kirk

1578
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:12,190
who's from Iowa who would probably be in

1579
01:13:17,370 --> 01:13:15,310
the Union and McCoy who is a southern

1580
01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:17,380
gentleman from Georgia and would

1581
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:19,480
probably be in the Confederacy what if

1582
01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:22,300
we crafted a story where the two of them

1583
01:13:25,230 --> 01:13:23,860
were in the Civil War and they're best

1584
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:25,240
friends but they're supposed to be

1585
01:13:30,570 --> 01:13:28,180
enemies and you know and what would that

1586
01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:30,580
look like him and we fleshed out the

1587
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:32,470
idea and gave it to mark and he wrote an

1588
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:36,010
amazing screenplay and what I did Jimmy

1589
01:13:40,230 --> 01:13:37,330
was you know what we were talking about

1590
01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:40,240
earlier about challenging the character

1591
01:13:42,930 --> 01:13:41,800
looking at a character and saying what

1592
01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:42,940
would be the worst thing that could

1593
01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:45,070
happen to this character the biggest

1594
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:47,740
challenge they would have which a lot of

1595
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:49,180
writers don't think in that way but

1596
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:50,530
that's the best way to think when you're

1597
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,460
writing for episodic TV or movies and I

1598
01:14:01,650 --> 01:13:57,520
thought well Kirk is this virile guy

1599
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:01,660
he's a leader he stands tall what if he

1600
01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:04,510
got shot in the leg and they amputated

1601
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:08,470
his leg and McCoy's there to try to try

1602
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:10,150
to get him out of his depression get him

1603
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:13,210
back on his feet literally and so forth

1604
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:16,060
and so by by taking Vic's idea of let's

1605
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:17,620
go back to the Civil War and then my

1606
01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:20,590
idea about putting Kirk into something

1607
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:22,870
that he's never had to deal with can he

1608
01:14:29,370 --> 01:14:25,510
still be a leader if he only has one leg

1609
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:29,380
and the obvious line was a man can stand

1610
01:14:35,940 --> 01:14:32,050
taller even if it only has one leg if he

1611
01:14:38,190 --> 01:14:35,950
has a reason a purpose you know and so

1612
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:38,200
we went in that direction I think it

1613
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:41,670
made a very powerful story how did you

1614
01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:44,350
mark you've got limitations here you

1615
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:47,500
don't have a Steven Spielberg budget you

1616
01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:50,890
know that you're working within and this

1617
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:54,820
is this is a cinematic huge

1618
01:15:01,140 --> 01:14:57,790
right right mark did you have to write

1619
01:15:03,630 --> 01:15:01,150
inside him or did you just just go for

1620
01:15:06,990 --> 01:15:03,640
it and and and hope that Vic would

1621
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:07,000
handle it in the end I mean it's like

1622
01:15:10,230 --> 01:15:08,560
when they were running for the original

1623
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:10,240
Star Trek and he had Gene Roddenberry

1624
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:12,010
you had Bob justman who was taking those

1625
01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:13,720
scripts to the set and finding ways to

1626
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:16,990
make it work I was writing for a master

1627
01:15:22,170 --> 01:15:20,410
magician vic Mignogna and i knew he

1628
01:15:23,970 --> 01:15:22,180
would be able to do it you know most

1629
01:15:26,610 --> 01:15:23,980
actors I got to be one-legged I got to

1630
01:15:28,350 --> 01:15:26,620
bend my leg back there and strap it and

1631
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:28,360
do all this stuff for half the episode

1632
01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:31,030
but I knew they could do it and and he

1633
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:33,820
would hop to it and and then Vic was

1634
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,730
able to arrange to get these reenactment

1635
01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:39,280
groups who do Civil War battles to get

1636
01:15:42,780 --> 01:15:40,720
involved with the production so they

1637
01:15:44,670 --> 01:15:42,790
could go out on location and have all

1638
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:44,680
these men in uniforms and everything

1639
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:46,570
else and that was one of the reasons we

1640
01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:48,730
wanted to do that story is because we

1641
01:15:52,590 --> 01:15:51,340
knew we had that we could put that into

1642
01:16:00,210 --> 01:15:52,600
the show and give it that production

1643
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:00,220
value annually all over the country and

1644
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:03,850
so you know the the greatest stroke of

1645
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:07,210
luck was that if we could hook up with

1646
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,550
one of these Civil War reenactments and

1647
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:12,640
as luck would have it again there was a

1648
01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:14,650
reenactment called the Battle of Olustee

1649
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:18,430
Creek 45 minutes from our studio in

1650
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:23,050
South Georgia and we took the DP we took

1651
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:26,050
a camera and myself and little Scotty

1652
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:29,290
Whitehurst he played Little Billy Paul

1653
01:16:39,450 --> 01:16:32,340
Merton and we went to Olustee Creek and

1654
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:39,460
shot b-roll of hundreds of people you

1655
01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:41,920
know running across a field and cannons

1656
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:45,190
and horses and you know a production

1657
01:16:50,670 --> 01:16:47,770
value that we could never even the

1658
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:50,680
original series could never afford and

1659
01:16:55,410 --> 01:16:53,590
it was just it was just luck that the

1660
01:16:58,650 --> 01:16:55,420
time period we wanted to tell this story

1661
01:17:01,680 --> 01:16:58,660
in' happens to have thousands of people

1662
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:01,690
every year who do these very authentic

1663
01:17:06,970 --> 01:17:05,710
reenactments the the first time that i

1664
01:17:09,310 --> 01:17:06,980
saw the episode and

1665
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:09,320
you know I saw these you know these

1666
01:17:17,170 --> 01:17:12,650
panoramic epic scenes unfolding thinking

1667
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:17,180
how do they do this you know and I'm

1668
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:19,910
thinking it's CG are they dropping

1669
01:17:24,910 --> 01:17:22,730
bodies in is that what's going on and

1670
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:24,920
then you realize that it's it's it's

1671
01:17:29,950 --> 01:17:28,340
shot right and like it's real and how do

1672
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,960
you how did you pull this off well

1673
01:17:34,810 --> 01:17:31,550
that's that's how you do it you've got

1674
01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:34,820
to get creative don't you yeah but you

1675
01:17:38,170 --> 01:17:35,780
know when you watch a lot of old

1676
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:38,180
Hollywood movies the uniforms are always

1677
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:40,970
too clean too perfect you know these

1678
01:17:46,210 --> 01:17:43,970
guys they had grungy uniform right they

1679
01:17:47,950 --> 01:17:46,220
had been out there in the dirt and and

1680
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:47,960
they had the rifles and and everything

1681
01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:51,350
and so it's an authentic rifles so you

1682
01:17:57,330 --> 01:17:53,150
you have that you get able to bring that

1683
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,340
onto the screen you know what else Jimmy

1684
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:00,320
when we shot the b-roll obviously we did

1685
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:02,630
not interrupt the re-enactment at all

1686
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:04,370
you know we stayed at a distance and

1687
01:18:10,780 --> 01:18:08,510
shot all kinds of a big big huge footage

1688
01:18:14,110 --> 01:18:10,790
of armies and cannons and horses like I

1689
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:14,120
said but if you think about it there

1690
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:17,390
were several scenes that we had to be

1691
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:21,650
able to choreograph like actual moments

1692
01:18:28,090 --> 01:18:25,850
in the script of like Kirk in the battle

1693
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:28,100
and it can't just be me on an empty

1694
01:18:32,830 --> 01:18:30,140
battlefield or sitting around the

1695
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:32,840
campfire it can't just be me and McCoy

1696
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:35,600
sitting around the campfire so we

1697
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:38,510
actually connected with an a reenactment

1698
01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:42,640
group locally about 15 or 20 people and

1699
01:18:48,610 --> 01:18:46,670
they agreed to come to our studio three

1700
01:18:50,740 --> 01:18:48,620
days before the Olustee Creek

1701
01:18:54,370 --> 01:18:50,750
reenactment which they were on their way

1702
01:18:58,450 --> 01:18:54,380
to and they set up tents outside the

1703
01:19:00,610 --> 01:18:58,460
studio and we were able to use them like

1704
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,620
the group of soldiers going through the

1705
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,630
woods when they come across Kirk and

1706
01:19:07,060 --> 01:19:04,640
McCoy and we were able to choreograph

1707
01:19:09,460 --> 01:19:07,070
them and block them and give them little

1708
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:09,470
lines of dialogue and have them in the

1709
01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:12,770
background behind our actors to fill up

1710
01:19:17,650 --> 01:19:15,260
the seams and the way it worked out was

1711
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:17,660
just perfect yeah it's it's an

1712
01:19:20,779 --> 01:19:19,760
extraordinary episode we need to take a

1713
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:20,789
break

1714
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:24,570
right here Vic stay right there mark you

1715
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:26,730
stay right there this is fade to black

1716
01:19:33,020 --> 01:19:30,030
this is our Star Trek special event I am

1717
01:19:35,839 --> 01:19:33,030
your host Jimmy Church I'm the game

1718
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:35,849
changer networking K G RA the planet

1719
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,650
more with mark and pick when we come

1720
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:38,880
back after this short break

1721
01:19:42,490 --> 01:19:40,980
stay with us

1722
01:19:43,620 --> 01:19:42,500
[Music]

1723
01:19:58,090 --> 01:19:43,630
[Applause]

1724
01:20:03,380 --> 01:20:00,050
welcome back fade to black

1725
01:20:06,620 --> 01:20:03,390
our Star Trek special events and what's

1726
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:06,630
so great about this this is our last

1727
01:20:13,550 --> 01:20:11,040
broadcast after six years we are now

1728
01:20:16,490 --> 01:20:13,560
entering our seventh year of broadcast

1729
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:16,500
and Vick it's pretty cool to have both

1730
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:18,600
you and Mark here on such a special

1731
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,840
night discussing this and it's pretty

1732
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:24,060
cool you never know what the future is

1733
01:20:29,210 --> 01:20:26,010
going to bring and it just landed on

1734
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:29,220
tonight and mark thank you so much for

1735
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:32,340
doing this with us at Vick I wanted to

1736
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:33,450
ask you this

1737
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,920
I hit mark with this earlier do you have

1738
01:20:49,570 --> 01:20:39,840
a favorite episode from the original

1739
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:52,130
let me bring him back on the Star Trek

1740
01:20:57,860 --> 01:20:56,760
technology is OK I think yeah yeah we

1741
01:21:01,820 --> 01:20:57,870
got you back

1742
01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:01,830
Vick I asked mark earlier yeah we got

1743
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:10,830
you you can hear us right oh wow we can

1744
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:11,940
hear you Vic

1745
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:18,390
oh no I don't know what's going on mark

1746
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:22,410
you got a love live radio so I'll feel

1747
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:25,440
for you yeah I have another another

1748
01:21:32,650 --> 01:21:28,800
favorite shore leave wait wait wait wait

1749
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:32,660
wait wait that was you just stole a oh

1750
01:21:41,210 --> 01:21:36,770
man I stole your face yeah shore leave

1751
01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:41,220
was mine Vic do we have you back okay

1752
01:21:45,610 --> 01:21:43,500
I'm gonna reset with Vic one more time

1753
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:45,620
and we'll see if we can pull this off

1754
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:49,290
this is technology at its finest right

1755
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:51,750
here shore leave

1756
01:21:58,700 --> 01:21:54,930
yeah for me was right there and I

1757
01:22:01,880 --> 01:21:58,710
definitely want to get Vic's favorite

1758
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:01,890
show before we move on let's try to do

1759
01:22:16,580 --> 01:22:12,260
No gommi we can hear you I'm gonna have

1760
01:22:19,340 --> 01:22:16,590
to text questions to Vic wait might work

1761
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:19,350
no I can hear you you can oh okay

1762
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:24,090
alright let's reset Vic I'd ask mark

1763
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:26,510
earlier what his favorite episode was

1764
01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:29,210
from the original series what's yours

1765
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:33,240
well mine's rather obscure um you know

1766
01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:34,980
everybody loves the city on the edge of

1767
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:38,040
forever and and doomsday machine and

1768
01:22:43,670 --> 01:22:40,650
mirror mirror and bounce of terror but

1769
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:43,680
my favorite was a is an obscure one from

1770
01:22:50,210 --> 01:22:45,930
the third season called requiem for

1771
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:50,220
Methuselah mmm I absolutely loved that

1772
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:52,020
episode I don't know if you know the one

1773
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:53,700
where it's the one where they they

1774
01:23:00,500 --> 01:22:57,330
they're there's a an epidemic on the

1775
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:00,510
enterprise and they need a substance

1776
01:23:05,450 --> 01:23:03,540
called right Allen to combat the

1777
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:05,460
epidemic and they find it on this planet

1778
01:23:09,650 --> 01:23:07,530
the planet seems to be deserted but when

1779
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,660
they go there they find this man who

1780
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:11,040
seems to be living there all by himself

1781
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:14,760
and and then he introduces them to this

1782
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:19,920
woman who is supposedly as his heir has

1783
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:23,760
adopted heir and and they keep finding

1784
01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:25,770
all of these amazing artifacts around

1785
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,400
his house like a Gutenberg Bible yes and

1786
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,040
a Brahms Lullaby in a painting from da

1787
01:23:39,860 --> 01:23:34,800
Vinci and you end up finding out that he

1788
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:39,870
was all of these men to history and and

1789
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:42,090
the woman who Kirk obviously falls in

1790
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,540
love with as you would expect turns out

1791
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:48,060
to be an Android because this man

1792
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:51,450
created this woman he was immortal and

1793
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,970
so he wanted to create a perfect woman

1794
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:56,400
who would be as immortal as he was to be

1795
01:24:01,280 --> 01:23:58,770
his partner forever and Kirk falls in

1796
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:01,290
love with her and so kirkin and me and

1797
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:04,580
the man have it out and the woman dies

1798
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:10,170
because she is so so torn by her

1799
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:13,890
romantic love for Kirk and her fatherly

1800
01:24:20,649 --> 01:24:18,330
love for this man and it's Jer are some

1801
01:24:23,739 --> 01:24:20,659
of the most beautiful lines

1802
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:23,749
in that episode you know Spock said you

1803
01:24:29,469 --> 01:24:26,570
know there wasn't enough time for her to

1804
01:24:31,089 --> 01:24:29,479
adjust to the horrible contradictions of

1805
01:24:33,099 --> 01:24:31,099
her newfound emotions she couldn't bear

1806
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:33,109
to hurt either of you the joys of love

1807
01:24:39,250 --> 01:24:35,510
made her human and the Agony's of love

1808
01:24:41,259 --> 01:24:39,260
destroyed her is it remarkable that this

1809
01:24:42,729 --> 01:24:41,269
is one of the more obscure episodes not

1810
01:24:44,770 --> 01:24:42,739
an episode people would think of

1811
01:24:46,330 --> 01:24:44,780
immediately when you say what is your

1812
01:24:48,459 --> 01:24:46,340
favorite and yet

1813
01:24:50,859 --> 01:24:48,469
hearing Vick tell you about the story

1814
01:24:53,739 --> 01:24:50,869
and the the texture and the emotion

1815
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:53,749
you've realized that even the less known

1816
01:24:59,229 --> 01:24:56,510
episodes of Star Trek were so incredible

1817
01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:59,239
oh my gosh yes and let me just tell you

1818
01:25:02,859 --> 01:25:01,340
if I may Jimmy the reason that I love

1819
01:25:05,949 --> 01:25:02,869
that episode the reason it's my favorite

1820
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:05,959
is because at the end of the episode you

1821
01:25:14,139 --> 01:25:08,719
see Kirk sitting in his quarters

1822
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:14,149
defeated and ashamed of himself you

1823
01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:18,289
never see Captain Kirk the hero the

1824
01:25:25,569 --> 01:25:22,070
problem-solver the day saver and he was

1825
01:25:28,839 --> 01:25:25,579
sitting there just defeated and deflated

1826
01:25:31,689 --> 01:25:28,849
and he was so embarrassed about the way

1827
01:25:34,779 --> 01:25:31,699
he behaved and he even says that in the

1828
01:25:36,549 --> 01:25:34,789
industry in the episode how if only he

1829
01:25:39,639 --> 01:25:36,559
could forget and he they they put on a

1830
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:39,649
such a poor show and he felt so foolish

1831
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:42,169
and I remember even as a little boy

1832
01:25:52,119 --> 01:25:47,329
thinking wow Captain Kirk is a human

1833
01:25:55,719 --> 01:25:52,129
just like us he has regrets and loss and

1834
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:55,729
and and and shame for things that he

1835
01:26:00,580 --> 01:25:58,070
wished he'd have done differently that

1836
01:26:03,639 --> 01:26:00,590
was that episode was actually the

1837
01:26:07,589 --> 01:26:03,649
impetus for our fourth episode the white

1838
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:07,599
iris which which explores Kirk's

1839
01:26:16,959 --> 01:26:11,209
humanity and his his regrets and his

1840
01:26:21,939 --> 01:26:16,969
frailty you know and also a springboard

1841
01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:21,949
into Rafic on at the end because in this

1842
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:24,289
episode Spock Kirk has collapsed on the

1843
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:27,260
table he's finally sleeping Spock does

1844
01:26:33,549 --> 01:26:29,329
the Vulcan touch on the yeah and he says

1845
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:33,559
one word forget yes

1846
01:26:39,069 --> 01:26:35,510
forget about it right right of the pain

1847
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:39,079
and then they use that in in rap akan at

1848
01:26:43,149 --> 01:26:41,630
the end before Spock dies where he

1849
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:43,159
touches McCoy's head and he says

1850
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,710
remember yes which is so even even I

1851
01:26:53,939 --> 01:26:50,719
don't want to say a minor episode but

1852
01:26:57,310 --> 01:26:53,949
but one that's maybe not as well known

1853
01:27:02,260 --> 01:26:57,320
look at what it did there's a there's

1854
01:27:05,799 --> 01:27:02,270
another another way to view Star Trek

1855
01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:05,809
and if we go back I want I'm going to

1856
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:07,969
ask both of you the same question I'll

1857
01:27:10,209 --> 01:27:09,650
throw this to Vic first if you don't

1858
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:10,219
mind mark

1859
01:27:20,799 --> 01:27:16,159
but it's that today where we have so

1860
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:20,809
many films suggesting alien contact

1861
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:25,130
where it seems that humanity is getting

1862
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:28,159
acclimated to this possibility right so

1863
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:30,050
the day that it does really really

1864
01:27:37,899 --> 01:27:33,650
really happen the shock is not going to

1865
01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:37,909
be that extreme and in Star Trek and

1866
01:27:47,620 --> 01:27:42,710
Gene Roddenberry do you think that they

1867
01:27:51,399 --> 01:27:47,630
that that gene was kind of suggesting to

1868
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:51,409
us how to handle alien contact and when

1869
01:27:58,560 --> 01:27:53,329
this does happen you know the prime

1870
01:28:02,260 --> 01:27:58,570
directive right is is is this a way to

1871
01:28:06,879 --> 01:28:02,270
throw a softball pitch right to the

1872
01:28:08,589 --> 01:28:06,889
world and and and help us for the day

1873
01:28:13,029 --> 01:28:08,599
that it actually does happen do you

1874
01:28:15,069 --> 01:28:13,039
think gene was conscious of that I at

1875
01:28:21,010 --> 01:28:15,079
mark do you want to go first you want me

1876
01:28:25,180 --> 01:28:21,020
to go go ready I don't think so I think

1877
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:25,190
that gene wanted to gene wanted more

1878
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:28,639
than anything to make commentary about

1879
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:32,170
the things of the day that were going on

1880
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:35,690
issues of the day political

1881
01:28:45,459 --> 01:28:41,360
philosophical moral ethical and and he

1882
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:45,469
used Star Trek as the vehicle to address

1883
01:28:53,290 --> 01:28:50,859
that's I mean that's absolutely what I

1884
01:28:56,549 --> 01:28:53,300
personally believe I think that Jean

1885
01:28:59,500 --> 01:28:56,559
wanted to believe that in the future

1886
01:29:01,509 --> 01:28:59,510
mankind would come together and be

1887
01:29:02,290 --> 01:29:01,519
unified and they would reach out into

1888
01:29:06,729 --> 01:29:02,300
space

1889
01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:06,739
unified as one human race to explore and

1890
01:29:14,529 --> 01:29:11,510
and you know connect with new worlds and

1891
01:29:18,129 --> 01:29:14,539
new species but even in the course of

1892
01:29:20,529 --> 01:29:18,139
doing that all of the greatest stories

1893
01:29:24,370 --> 01:29:20,539
of start of Star Trek the original

1894
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:24,380
series in particular were were moral

1895
01:29:31,330 --> 01:29:27,530
stories and ethical questions and social

1896
01:29:33,759 --> 01:29:31,340
issues and as I read Mark's book what a

1897
01:29:35,649 --> 01:29:33,769
great segue right mark as I read I think

1898
01:29:38,500 --> 01:29:35,659
you recorded marks marks book these are

1899
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:38,510
the voyages as I did the audio book I

1900
01:29:47,859 --> 01:29:44,739
was so struck with with how how strongly

1901
01:29:51,540 --> 01:29:47,869
Roddenberry felt about that house how

1902
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:51,550
how how much conviction he had about

1903
01:29:58,540 --> 01:29:55,010
wanting to tell a certain story or

1904
01:30:03,819 --> 01:29:58,550
communicate a certain issue or address a

1905
01:30:07,330 --> 01:30:03,829
certain you know topic that was taboo on

1906
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:07,340
its face but by couching it in an

1907
01:30:12,069 --> 01:30:09,409
imaginative sci-fi setting he was able

1908
01:30:13,660 --> 01:30:12,079
to get away with a lot yeah no doubt

1909
01:30:18,689 --> 01:30:13,670
about that mark what do you think do you

1910
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:18,699
think that gene was giving us a little

1911
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:22,610
softball pitch on alien contact and how

1912
01:30:28,779 --> 01:30:25,210
we needed to deal with it in the future

1913
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:28,789
it depends on the time frame Vic is

1914
01:30:35,379 --> 01:30:32,690
absolutely right about when the original

1915
01:30:37,419 --> 01:30:35,389
Star Trek was being made gene knew there

1916
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:37,429
was life on other planets he believed it

1917
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:40,130
how could you not I mean he sat with all

1918
01:30:43,330 --> 01:30:41,449
these scientists he looked at the

1919
01:30:45,069 --> 01:30:43,340
mathematical formulas of how many

1920
01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:45,079
planets are out there

1921
01:30:48,939 --> 01:30:47,119
he'd been in he had been an Air Force

1922
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:48,949
pilot he'd been a commercial airline

1923
01:30:55,089 --> 01:30:52,010
pilot he had had encounters with UFOs he

1924
01:30:58,169 --> 01:30:55,099
believed it but he wasn't really trying

1925
01:31:00,580 --> 01:30:58,179
to prepare us for that he was trying to

1926
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:00,590
civilize television

1927
01:31:07,020 --> 01:31:02,810
he wrote so many Westerns and he was so

1928
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:07,030
appalled by how how careless we are at

1929
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:09,410
dispatching people to the great unknown

1930
01:31:14,020 --> 01:31:12,080
killing people on TV hitting people over

1931
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:14,030
the head with the butt of a gun and they

1932
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:15,890
get up ten minutes later with a headache

1933
01:31:21,610 --> 01:31:18,560
instead of a concussion and brain damage

1934
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:21,620
and so he was always trying to put more

1935
01:31:28,450 --> 01:31:25,520
realism forward in his show and teach us

1936
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:28,460
in watching how how they dealt with

1937
01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:31,070
alien life how we could deal with life

1938
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:33,260
here on planets on our planet with other

1939
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:37,430
countries and races and so forth now but

1940
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:40,490
he changed I have a new book coming out

1941
01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:41,930
this is not a plug for the book it's

1942
01:31:46,450 --> 01:31:44,720
just answer your question I've now been

1943
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:46,460
these are the voyages four and five

1944
01:31:52,210 --> 01:31:50,210
which covered the 1970s and fours out

1945
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:52,220
now five comes out early next year I

1946
01:31:57,610 --> 01:31:54,290
hope it's done and hopefully will be

1947
01:31:59,890 --> 01:31:57,620
imprinted about three months and he was

1948
01:32:02,380 --> 01:31:59,900
doing a project that I covered in great

1949
01:32:04,810 --> 01:32:02,390
detail in that book along with Star Trek

1950
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:04,820
the motion picture and so forth

1951
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:07,610
called the nine and he went to New York

1952
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:10,910
State and met with this group who

1953
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,450
believed in alien life and believed that

1954
01:32:20,890 --> 01:32:16,880
only life had been here as most of us do

1955
01:32:23,130 --> 01:32:20,900
and they had a channeler and and through

1956
01:32:27,370 --> 01:32:23,140
this channeler he was able to talk to

1957
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:27,380
benign from from another dimension who

1958
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:29,690
were preparing to come to earth and the

1959
01:32:33,730 --> 01:32:31,430
reason they were hiring him to write

1960
01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:33,740
this script this group were hiring him

1961
01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:37,160
at the at the request of the nine was to

1962
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,670
prepare mankind for this encounter that

1963
01:32:43,810 --> 01:32:41,840
was going to come because they didn't

1964
01:32:46,150 --> 01:32:43,820
want to come and happy get shot at with

1965
01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:46,160
missiles they knew what our tendency was

1966
01:32:50,770 --> 01:32:48,620
so they thought if a movie came out it

1967
01:32:53,230 --> 01:32:50,780
would help set the groundwork for them

1968
01:32:56,260 --> 01:32:53,240
coming in and in this book I had the

1969
01:32:59,040 --> 01:32:56,270
transcripts of him in this channeler and

1970
01:33:02,320 --> 01:32:59,050
the questions he's asking the nine are

1971
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:02,330
incredible and the responses he get he

1972
01:33:06,910 --> 01:33:04,850
gets are chilling and it's a rather

1973
01:33:09,970 --> 01:33:06,920
lengthy chapter and I'll just say that

1974
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:09,980
much as a tease but I was very

1975
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:12,560
emotionally affected during the research

1976
01:33:16,270 --> 01:33:14,330
writing this chapter

1977
01:33:18,730 --> 01:33:16,280
channeling genes words through his memos

1978
01:33:21,070 --> 01:33:18,740
and so forth about this as he was

1979
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:21,080
writing this screenplay to prepare us

1980
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:23,890
for this encounter a third encounter I

1981
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:30,890
have interviewed a few people that were

1982
01:33:37,450 --> 01:33:35,690
directly involved with the nine and this

1983
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:37,460
is this is the thing we've done a lot of

1984
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:40,370
coverage about that and it's a

1985
01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:42,290
fascinating part of American history and

1986
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:47,750
it's who was there too that was you had

1987
01:33:53,890 --> 01:33:50,210
some of the richest families in America

1988
01:33:55,870 --> 01:33:53,900
and industrialists real players Steven

1989
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:55,880
Spielberg was there and this is right

1990
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,440
before you did Close Encounters of the

1991
01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:00,320
Third Kind he was there one serving

1992
01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:02,510
these things from doing research and is

1993
01:34:12,010 --> 01:34:08,590
to see the the the the occult aspect of

1994
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:12,020
genes life or his interest in it and he

1995
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:14,510
wasn't the only one right and go back to

1996
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:19,610
Parsons of JBL and and so forth but

1997
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:23,690
there was a real there was a real

1998
01:34:29,140 --> 01:34:26,810
interest and research into this and the

1999
01:34:33,370 --> 01:34:29,150
nine was an extraordinary event and

2000
01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:33,380
which ultimately which came out of that

2001
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:35,360
when you think about the families the

2002
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:37,130
money the industrial the people that

2003
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:38,510
were there they were the movers and

2004
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:41,510
shakers of America and did that have a

2005
01:34:48,820 --> 01:34:46,400
play in the way things were going in

2006
01:34:51,340 --> 01:34:48,830
this country it's a pretty it was a

2007
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:51,350
pretty interesting evening that they had

2008
01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:52,460
there for sure

2009
01:34:57,220 --> 01:34:55,700
and I talked to Susan Sackett I talked

2010
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:57,230
to Jean about it before he passed I

2011
01:35:01,390 --> 01:34:59,840
talked to Susan Sackett not long ago and

2012
01:35:03,550 --> 01:35:01,400
she's quoted in the book I talked to

2013
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:03,560
Dorothy Fontana about it and she's

2014
01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:04,970
quoted because they were so closely

2015
01:35:10,660 --> 01:35:06,440
involved with Jean through all these

2016
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:10,670
years and and they they told me that

2017
01:35:16,660 --> 01:35:12,880
Jane went into these meetings a

2018
01:35:19,330 --> 01:35:16,670
non-believer and he came out believing

2019
01:35:21,970 --> 01:35:19,340
and and yet his questions are so

2020
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,980
respectable and so well thought out he

2021
01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:23,840
wouldn't think he's a non-believer but

2022
01:35:28,210 --> 01:35:26,510
he took this job for money and and by

2023
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:28,220
the time he came out of it

2024
01:35:33,580 --> 01:35:30,110
his feelings have been changed from what

2025
01:35:35,020 --> 01:35:33,590
he saw experienced heard and the

2026
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:35,030
information that was conveyed to him

2027
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:39,350
yeah you had one of the big players in

2028
01:35:47,370 --> 01:35:44,570
this was Arthur young right and and he

2029
01:35:50,590 --> 01:35:47,380
he invented the Bell Helicopter

2030
01:35:51,670 --> 01:35:50,600
if you think about you know the DuPont's

2031
01:35:57,330 --> 01:35:51,680
were there

2032
01:36:00,670 --> 01:35:57,340
Mary Bancroft you know from Dow Jones

2033
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:00,680
that that's who was there did you know

2034
01:36:06,010 --> 01:36:03,770
about this Vick no I did not I did not

2035
01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:06,020
yeah happened yeah yet I do I do want to

2036
01:36:11,380 --> 01:36:07,720
just interject and say Vick is

2037
01:36:12,910 --> 01:36:11,390
absolutely right everything he said in

2038
01:36:14,700 --> 01:36:12,920
the way you asked the question and you

2039
01:36:19,090 --> 01:36:14,710
were talking about the original series

2040
01:36:21,580 --> 01:36:19,100
Jane did not believe at that point that

2041
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:21,590
we had been visited from alien life he

2042
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:23,270
didn't dispute it he was open-minded

2043
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:25,850
about it but he didn't believe and what

2044
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:28,370
he was writing was to help us get along

2045
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:32,030
with each other at that time and and I

2046
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:33,770
think that's I think that's also one of

2047
01:36:39,580 --> 01:36:36,410
the reasons why all of the all of the

2048
01:36:41,740 --> 01:36:39,590
races and quote unquote aliens that they

2049
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:41,750
in that they encountered throughout the

2050
01:36:45,730 --> 01:36:43,370
galaxy did you notice Jimmy how they're

2051
01:36:47,230 --> 01:36:45,740
always humanoid absolutely they they

2052
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:47,240
just they're always humanoids they're

2053
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:50,840
like us close enough to us to have

2054
01:36:57,610 --> 01:36:55,280
problems like we do only Kirk and Spock

2055
01:37:01,090 --> 01:36:57,620
and McCoy in the Federation are able to

2056
01:37:04,750 --> 01:37:01,100
comment on these issues and maybe help

2057
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:04,760
these other civilizations through issues

2058
01:37:08,770 --> 01:37:06,710
that are very similar to the ones we

2059
01:37:12,250 --> 01:37:08,780
were dealing with and there's something

2060
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:12,260
that we almost touched upon this we got

2061
01:37:21,970 --> 01:37:17,810
past it but it's this the the concern of

2062
01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:21,980
the way that the say Columbus or other

2063
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:25,910
invading states would go into other

2064
01:37:34,030 --> 01:37:30,350
countries and and mess up a culture was

2065
01:37:36,250 --> 01:37:34,040
something that gene dealt with every

2066
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:36,260
time that they did encounter another

2067
01:37:40,060 --> 01:37:37,610
planet or an

2068
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:40,070
their culture not to handle it the way

2069
01:37:46,660 --> 01:37:44,390
that we did right and this was something

2070
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:46,670
that I think was pretty out front and

2071
01:37:52,330 --> 01:37:50,570
was a concern for Jeanne sure I guess

2072
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:52,340
you're speaking of the prime directive

2073
01:37:59,200 --> 01:37:55,280
yes the whole idea of non-interference

2074
01:38:03,280 --> 01:37:59,210
with these normal social development of

2075
01:38:05,710 --> 01:38:03,290
a civilization and remember Jeanne had

2076
01:38:08,860 --> 01:38:05,720
been a bomber pilot in World War two and

2077
01:38:12,490 --> 01:38:08,870
he had been a sergeant worked his way up

2078
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:12,500
to sergeant on LAPD he witnessed the

2079
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,820
worst of mankind and that that's so so

2080
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:18,320
when he was doing the original Star Trek

2081
01:38:26,230 --> 01:38:23,510
he was trying to help us survive but by

2082
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:26,240
the time he did the nine script and was

2083
01:38:31,930 --> 01:38:29,810
going into next generation he changed

2084
01:38:34,030 --> 01:38:31,940
because then he really became a believer

2085
01:38:36,970 --> 01:38:34,040
as far as the fact that we had been

2086
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:36,980
visited and what the intent was and how

2087
01:38:42,430 --> 01:38:39,920
we needed to prepare a victim possibly

2088
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:42,440
yeah Vic I wanted to ask you you know

2089
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:44,960
because you've done so much research

2090
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:50,210
into the original series going back and

2091
01:38:58,540 --> 01:38:55,850
doing the companion audio book and now

2092
01:39:00,760 --> 01:38:58,550
now you're tell--you're going really

2093
01:39:03,010 --> 01:39:00,770
deep what did you what did you learn

2094
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:03,020
from doing the audio book that you that

2095
01:39:13,390 --> 01:39:08,620
right you thought you knew at all that

2096
01:39:15,490 --> 01:39:13,400
would be a whole nother show Jimmy that

2097
01:39:18,940 --> 01:39:15,500
would be a completely separate show I

2098
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:18,950
learned so much about the making of this

2099
01:39:23,770 --> 01:39:20,890
show and the people that made it the

2100
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:23,780
struggles they they encountered the

2101
01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:27,530
challenges they overcame mark did such

2102
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:30,380
an incredible job with these books and

2103
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:32,780
you know I've had people that actually

2104
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:35,210
read the books mark and then they

2105
01:39:39,670 --> 01:39:37,850
listened to the audiobook and they were

2106
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:39,680
like I felt like I never read the book

2107
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:42,410
like it was it was all new and fresh

2108
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:45,710
again and made it a little when they had

2109
01:39:50,710 --> 01:39:47,930
it the first few chapters over to me to

2110
01:39:51,460 --> 01:39:50,720
listen to I thought I don't want to

2111
01:39:53,710 --> 01:39:51,470
listen to these are

2112
01:39:56,170 --> 01:39:53,720
the books I know every word I thought

2113
01:39:58,660 --> 01:39:56,180
and I turned it on thinking I'd listen

2114
01:40:02,020 --> 01:39:58,670
to a few minutes I was mesmerised I

2115
01:40:05,020 --> 01:40:02,030
could not stop listening working

2116
01:40:09,550 --> 01:40:05,030
everybody and what we did was we brought

2117
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:09,560
in I brought in people to to be the

2118
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:13,250
voice of gene Roddenberry and Bob

2119
01:40:18,330 --> 01:40:15,590
justman and Jerry finnerman in some

2120
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:18,340
cases our own Star Trek continues

2121
01:40:22,690 --> 01:40:20,810
production team voiced their

2122
01:40:24,970 --> 01:40:22,700
counterparts from the original series

2123
01:40:27,010 --> 01:40:24,980
and then we're a lot of original

2124
01:40:28,450 --> 01:40:27,020
contributors to play Dorothy yeah and

2125
01:40:30,910 --> 01:40:28,460
and that's what I was gonna say where we

2126
01:40:33,310 --> 01:40:30,920
could we we plugged in Dorothy Fontana

2127
01:40:37,330 --> 01:40:33,320
recording her own excerpts and Clint

2128
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:37,340
Clint Howard recording his memories from

2129
01:40:40,980 --> 01:40:39,050
corbera might maneuver the episode he

2130
01:40:45,070 --> 01:40:40,990
did when he was eight years old and and

2131
01:40:48,460 --> 01:40:45,080
Adam Nimoy recorded his dad's excerpts

2132
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:48,470
and and Chris Dewan recorded his dad's

2133
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,510
excerpts and Rod Roddenberry even did a

2134
01:40:55,300 --> 01:40:53,360
foreword so when you listen to the

2135
01:40:59,500 --> 01:40:55,310
audiobook you feel like you're sitting

2136
01:41:02,470 --> 01:40:59,510
in a room with these people and they are

2137
01:41:05,050 --> 01:41:02,480
in their own voice in their own words

2138
01:41:08,110 --> 01:41:05,060
telling you the story of the making of

2139
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:08,120
this TV series mark where can I go to

2140
01:41:13,180 --> 01:41:10,190
your question Jimmy yeah I learned so

2141
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:13,190
much about about the behind the scenes

2142
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:18,140
that I didn't know and I I was I was to

2143
01:41:23,110 --> 01:41:20,690
steal a word from mark I was mesmerised

2144
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:23,120
working everybody go and find the audio

2145
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:27,290
books these are the voyages dot-com it's

2146
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:29,450
that simple you can go to yeah yeah I

2147
01:41:33,070 --> 01:41:31,370
think Jake is around Media Group comm

2148
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:33,080
but I think these are the voyages comm

2149
01:41:38,050 --> 01:41:35,390
is a shortcut or just type in these of

2150
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:38,060
the voyages audiobook and my name or

2151
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:39,770
Vic's name and it'll take you right to

2152
01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:43,070
the publisher the audiobook is available

2153
01:41:50,230 --> 01:41:46,520
as a download for your mobile devices or

2154
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:50,240
your computer it's 28 hours long Wow

2155
01:41:55,630 --> 01:41:52,790
and and you got a driving trip to take

2156
01:41:57,820 --> 01:41:55,640
take this with you man you'll hear this

2157
01:41:59,710 --> 01:41:57,830
is the the creation of Star Trek the

2158
01:42:03,760 --> 01:41:59,720
whole first season it's the first book

2159
01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:03,770
and with the cast of 80 but you can also

2160
01:42:08,830 --> 01:42:05,150
get it as a

2161
01:42:11,260 --> 01:42:08,840
aid on a DVD as a to playing your your

2162
01:42:13,660 --> 01:42:11,270
blu-ray player or that also plays in

2163
01:42:15,610 --> 01:42:13,670
your your PC and that comes with the

2164
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,620
artwork and the whole thing so either

2165
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:17,840
those are available at surround

2166
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:20,510
Media Group comm or visa voyages calm I

2167
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:22,550
can't imagine how much production goes

2168
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:25,760
into 24 hours of audio but well you can

2169
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:31,850
you know when when Marquis when Marco

2170
01:42:38,970 --> 01:42:35,600
pleasure at the same time go ahead when

2171
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:38,980
when mark Cushman and and Jacobs Brown

2172
01:42:44,710 --> 01:42:42,410
asked me to do the audiobook you know

2173
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:44,720
Jimmy if I'd have sat in my studio and

2174
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:47,210
just recorded the whole audio book

2175
01:42:52,210 --> 01:42:50,510
myself I could have done it you know in

2176
01:42:56,230 --> 01:42:52,220
you know I don't know maybe a month or

2177
01:42:58,060 --> 01:42:56,240
two with with you know at my own pace

2178
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,070
and I wouldn't have to schedule anybody

2179
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:00,080
I could just do it myself

2180
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:02,810
like most audiobooks are done but I had

2181
01:43:10,570 --> 01:43:07,280
this idea of casting people to be the

2182
01:43:13,450 --> 01:43:10,580
voice of the actual characters in the

2183
01:43:15,820 --> 01:43:13,460
book and I thought it would make it so

2184
01:43:18,460 --> 01:43:15,830
much more fun to listen to and it did

2185
01:43:21,790 --> 01:43:18,470
but it effectively quadrupled my

2186
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:21,800
workload because as Mark said when it

2187
01:43:30,010 --> 01:43:26,890
was all said and done we had a t-80

2188
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:30,020
different people's voices in this

2189
01:43:37,660 --> 01:43:34,130
audiobook and even original music you

2190
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:37,670
know I wanted to have music bumpers in

2191
01:43:41,980 --> 01:43:39,920
and out of the chapters well you can't

2192
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:41,990
use the original Star Trek music because

2193
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:44,570
it's copyrighted but as luck would have

2194
01:43:49,870 --> 01:43:46,250
it we talked about it a little while ago

2195
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:49,880
we had original music written and

2196
01:43:55,540 --> 01:43:52,490
produced for Star Trek continues so I

2197
01:43:58,030 --> 01:43:55,550
was able to use our cues our music cues

2198
01:44:00,760 --> 01:43:58,040
which are all original compositions in

2199
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:00,770
between the chapters mark I wanted to

2200
01:44:06,670 --> 01:44:04,250
ask you you know normally I would take a

2201
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:06,680
break right here I'm going to let the

2202
01:44:13,210 --> 01:44:09,770
network know I'm not taking a break

2203
01:44:17,770 --> 01:44:13,220
we're gonna keep going and until Vic

2204
01:44:23,380 --> 01:44:21,310
we can take a break later mark where did

2205
01:44:26,890 --> 01:44:23,390
the idea where did where where did the

2206
01:44:32,350 --> 01:44:26,900
idea come from for gene for the root

2207
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:32,360
race did he ever talk about that no you

2208
01:44:35,650 --> 01:44:34,130
know III I'm sorry I don't have a good

2209
01:44:37,660 --> 01:44:35,660
answer for you there but I know that's

2210
01:44:42,250 --> 01:44:37,670
that's one thing he never talked to me

2211
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:42,260
about I learned much from his memos III

2212
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:45,110
I had a couple different recordings

2213
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:48,080
interview sessions with gene and I saw

2214
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:50,090
him on many other occasions and and

2215
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:52,130
pitch to them at next regeneration so

2216
01:44:56,740 --> 01:44:54,170
forth but that was one subject we didn't

2217
01:44:59,260 --> 01:44:56,750
bring up because the root race was the

2218
01:45:01,450 --> 01:44:59,270
foundation of all of the you know the

2219
01:45:06,970 --> 01:45:01,460
Star Trek civilizations that they then

2220
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:06,980
they encountered yeah and and Victor

2221
01:45:12,940 --> 01:45:09,920
said it very well you know at that time

2222
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:12,950
when we in the original show gene wanted

2223
01:45:19,690 --> 01:45:15,920
to do more alien races that did not

2224
01:45:22,450 --> 01:45:19,700
resemble humans but at that time he was

2225
01:45:24,250 --> 01:45:22,460
trying to communicate to humans and save

2226
01:45:26,410 --> 01:45:24,260
the planet I mean go back in time

2227
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:26,420
getting your time machine and go back to

2228
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,650
1960 67 68 69 or even back to 64 when

2229
01:45:35,050 --> 01:45:32,480
they started doing the first pilot and

2230
01:45:37,810 --> 01:45:35,060
and we were in the Cold War Vietnam was

2231
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:37,820
going on the country was coming apart at

2232
01:45:40,990 --> 01:45:38,480
the seams

2233
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:41,000
it just really seemed like we weren't

2234
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:44,330
going to make it and and Jane having

2235
01:45:51,340 --> 01:45:47,330
been an army pilot and and a police

2236
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:51,350
officer you know he had his doubts so he

2237
01:45:54,940 --> 01:45:53,930
he was trying to do something that might

2238
01:45:58,300 --> 01:45:54,950
save the world

2239
01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:58,310
sounds very grand but truly that's what

2240
01:46:02,320 --> 01:45:59,960
he wanted to do he didn't he had plenty

2241
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:02,330
of work he was writing for all these TV

2242
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,850
shows hundreds of scripts but he wanted

2243
01:46:08,410 --> 01:46:06,560
to do something he was at a point in his

2244
01:46:11,110 --> 01:46:08,420
life where he said what do I really want

2245
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:11,120
to do that can be important and he

2246
01:46:15,010 --> 01:46:13,280
handed in you know he was had a family

2247
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:15,020
he had daughters and he had a boy on the

2248
01:46:21,790 --> 01:46:18,170
way and and so he wanted to do something

2249
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:21,800
that maybe could save us and I would

2250
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:23,330
make an argument that Star Trek has

2251
01:46:28,270 --> 01:46:25,970
saved us I mean if you really think back

2252
01:46:29,500 --> 01:46:28,280
to what was going on in the 60s you know

2253
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,510
this show brought so many people

2254
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,760
together and got so many people to look

2255
01:46:36,250 --> 01:46:34,400
into the future more than any movie or

2256
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:36,260
any book could do because it had such a

2257
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:39,170
giant audience and so that's what he

2258
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:40,790
wanted to do when he came back to do

2259
01:46:44,050 --> 01:46:42,530
next generation he took it a step

2260
01:46:47,050 --> 01:46:44,060
further which wasn't as good

2261
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:47,060
dramatically as a TV show but

2262
01:46:51,850 --> 01:46:49,070
philosophically it was good that he

2263
01:46:56,050 --> 01:46:51,860
wanted to now show us beyond our petty

2264
01:46:59,830 --> 01:46:56,060
differences Victor you run into I talked

2265
01:47:02,140 --> 01:46:59,840
to mark about this earlier certainly

2266
01:47:07,870 --> 01:47:02,150
with you doing Star Trek continues do

2267
01:47:11,020 --> 01:47:07,880
you run into a lot of the different Star

2268
01:47:12,460 --> 01:47:11,030
Trek fans that are out there that that

2269
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:12,470
are divided right

2270
01:47:19,300 --> 01:47:16,100
whether it's TOS or the next generation

2271
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:19,310
and the infighting that does go on there

2272
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:22,370
because they they like what they like

2273
01:47:26,860 --> 01:47:25,490
right do you run into that opposition

2274
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:26,870
out there because you go to so many

2275
01:47:33,970 --> 01:47:29,840
conferences I'll be honest with you I

2276
01:47:39,220 --> 01:47:33,980
don't but let me tell you why I mean I I

2277
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:39,230
think that the Star Trek family if I may

2278
01:47:46,780 --> 01:47:43,030
use that word it's like a family reunion

2279
01:47:49,420 --> 01:47:46,790
you know you've got cousins from from

2280
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:49,430
uncles and brothers and sisters and a

2281
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:52,010
family that you may not even know but

2282
01:48:00,190 --> 01:47:56,000
you know you're connected and so while

2283
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:00,200
there are certainly different each

2284
01:48:07,420 --> 01:48:03,170
different generation had their Star Trek

2285
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:07,430
for me it was the original series for

2286
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:10,250
the the generation after me next

2287
01:48:15,700 --> 01:48:14,000
generation was there Star Trek but there

2288
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:15,710
wouldn't be a next generation without

2289
01:48:20,620 --> 01:48:17,840
the original series and there wouldn't

2290
01:48:21,730 --> 01:48:20,630
be a Voyager without next gen you know

2291
01:48:24,670 --> 01:48:21,740
what I mean there wouldn't be a Deep

2292
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:24,680
Space 9 or an enterprise and even now a

2293
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:27,410
discovery they're all built off of each

2294
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:30,910
other they all come from the same basic

2295
01:48:37,930 --> 01:48:34,010
universe and even though they're

2296
01:48:42,660 --> 01:48:37,940
different I think the majority of Star

2297
01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:42,670
Trek fans appreciate the diversity you

2298
01:48:49,020 --> 01:48:45,940
know I mean Spock said it best right

2299
01:48:51,570 --> 01:48:49,030
mark it ik infinite diversity infinite

2300
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:51,580
combinations and how all these things

2301
01:48:59,370 --> 01:48:54,850
still have a have a common thread and I

2302
01:49:01,700 --> 01:48:59,380
I feel like Star Trek fans get that I

2303
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:01,710
think they they appreciate all of the

2304
01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:04,690
iterations of Star Trek I am going to

2305
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:06,820
tell you I got to tell you when the

2306
01:49:12,030 --> 01:49:09,570
first of my books came out in 2013

2307
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:12,040
second one fourteen third one fifteen

2308
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:14,350
and we're continuing on but I went to a

2309
01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:18,730
convention in Vegas the August 9th 2013

2310
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:21,490
convention and my publisher Robert

2311
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:24,430
Jacobs was there and and he had never

2312
01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:26,080
been to a convention before I don't

2313
01:49:30,270 --> 01:49:28,720
think he knew much about Star Trek he

2314
01:49:32,910 --> 01:49:30,280
may call in and correct me but I believe

2315
01:49:35,250 --> 01:49:32,920
that's true and but I remember what he

2316
01:49:37,650 --> 01:49:35,260
said to me in this giant convention

2317
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:37,660
where he had like 30,000 people he

2318
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:40,390
turned to me and he said I have never

2319
01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:43,260
been in a place with so many positive

2320
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:46,450
right people from all different walks of

2321
01:49:50,130 --> 01:49:46,960
life

2322
01:49:52,710 --> 01:49:50,140
intelligent positive people he was blown

2323
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:52,720
away by what he encountered at that

2324
01:49:57,630 --> 01:49:55,210
convention he did not expect it and it

2325
01:49:59,250 --> 01:49:57,640
really had a major impact on him well I

2326
01:50:01,800 --> 01:49:59,260
wish I could have had these arguments

2327
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:01,810
with my two nephews a few months ago

2328
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:04,930
when we were sitting there talking about

2329
01:50:13,950 --> 01:50:10,410
this subject and when I told them that

2330
01:50:18,780 --> 01:50:13,960
the original series for me is where it's

2331
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:18,790
at and the the the turn that they took

2332
01:50:26,670 --> 01:50:23,250
in defense of next generation and indeed

2333
01:50:31,740 --> 01:50:26,680
everything that followed they just laid

2334
01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:31,750
it out and I I could not get them to get

2335
01:50:36,060 --> 01:50:34,150
any type of appreciation out of the

2336
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:36,070
original series it was incredible to me

2337
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:38,410
I was fighting it almost came to

2338
01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:42,250
fisticuffs Wow Jimmy I got I got to tell

2339
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:44,140
you something real quick when I was

2340
01:50:48,690 --> 01:50:47,290
writing these books which was in 2010 11

2341
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:48,700
12 13

2342
01:50:53,010 --> 01:50:51,040
my son was still living at home and he

2343
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:53,020
came into my office he was price sixteen

2344
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:57,010
at that time and the first rebooted Star

2345
01:50:59,730 --> 01:50:58,480
Trek movie had come out with Chris pike

2346
01:51:03,420 --> 01:50:59,740
right around

2347
01:51:05,730 --> 01:51:03,430
and there was a channel in Orange County

2348
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:05,740
that was running the original Star Trek

2349
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:07,450
every night and then running next

2350
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:09,880
generation right after it and he was

2351
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:11,440
watching these actually was the other

2352
01:51:15,660 --> 01:51:12,880
way around they'd run next generation

2353
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:15,670
followed by the original series and he

2354
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:18,130
would watch watch these and it would be

2355
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:20,050
11 o'clock and he turned out the light

2356
01:51:24,630 --> 01:51:22,300
and go to bed after watching an original

2357
01:51:26,850 --> 01:51:24,640
show and he came into my office and he

2358
01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:26,860
said hey dad I've been watching the show

2359
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:28,870
you're writing these books about it's

2360
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:31,810
really pretty good really good I said

2361
01:51:35,190 --> 01:51:33,040
really you've been watching the original

2362
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:35,200
Star Trek he says yeah yeah it comes on

2363
01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:37,360
right after next generation and I turn

2364
01:51:42,570 --> 01:51:39,100
out the light and I said why they are

2365
01:51:45,540 --> 01:51:42,580
thinking about what I just seen and and

2366
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:45,550
what it was saying to me and and he says

2367
01:51:52,340 --> 01:51:47,890
I like it a lot I think it's a lot

2368
01:51:55,980 --> 01:51:54,210
there's no offense to the next

2369
01:52:01,170 --> 01:51:55,990
generation people I didn't say that my

2370
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:01,180
son said it and speaking of that Vick do

2371
01:52:07,140 --> 01:52:04,690
you with the family you could you do so

2372
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:07,150
many out let me ask you really quick how

2373
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:11,290
many what's your next convention it's

2374
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:12,970
funny you should mention that I just I

2375
01:52:18,360 --> 01:52:16,000
just did my last one of the year I was

2376
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:18,370
at a show in Montgomery Alabama this

2377
01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:21,490
past weekend and you know I wanted to

2378
01:52:26,970 --> 01:52:24,070
I'd like to just say something along the

2379
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:26,980
lines of what Mark said you know so many

2380
01:52:32,610 --> 01:52:30,430
sci-fi fans Star Trek fans in particular

2381
01:52:35,070 --> 01:52:32,620
but sci-fi fans in general and and even

2382
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:35,080
pop culture fans for many many years

2383
01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:37,570
always felt kind of marginalized and

2384
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:39,490
they felt like the nerves and the

2385
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:42,370
weirdos and the odd man out and these

2386
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:45,850
conventions give them an opportunity to

2387
01:52:53,250 --> 01:52:48,730
be surrounded by people who love what

2388
01:52:55,950 --> 01:52:53,260
they love and for that weekend they're

2389
01:52:59,460 --> 01:52:55,960
not the odd man out they're not the

2390
01:53:02,610 --> 01:52:59,470
weird sci-fi nerd they are part of the

2391
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:02,620
group and that's why the spirit like

2392
01:53:08,070 --> 01:53:05,280
Mark said the spirit is so positive

2393
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:08,080
because people just love knowing that

2394
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:10,990
they can wear a uniform or paint their

2395
01:53:15,150 --> 01:53:13,330
their skin blue or

2396
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:15,160
put on the antenna or any number of

2397
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:18,600
things and fit right in and be welcome

2398
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:20,650
surrounded by people who love what they

2399
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:24,400
love to do your fans ever ask you to get

2400
01:53:35,220 --> 01:53:29,290
into character um they do don't they

2401
01:53:38,820 --> 01:53:35,230
they do occasionally but you know I

2402
01:53:40,620 --> 01:53:38,830
don't I don't do that anymore than wears

2403
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:40,630
a uniform when he goes to a convention

2404
01:53:45,210 --> 01:53:42,970
right right and yeah but you're wearing

2405
01:53:47,700 --> 01:53:45,220
the uniform thick he comes to the

2406
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:47,710
convention dressed as Captain Kirk and

2407
01:53:52,050 --> 01:53:49,840
it's a beautiful thing to see usually on

2408
01:53:54,570 --> 01:53:52,060
the wrap around her neck Vic which I

2409
01:53:56,460 --> 01:53:54,580
like so much the season two one right

2410
01:53:58,680 --> 01:53:56,470
well I mean I've only done that a couple

2411
01:54:01,800 --> 01:53:58,690
of times but I mean I have been asked to

2412
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:01,810
wear uniform a uniform to a convention

2413
01:54:05,790 --> 01:54:03,370
and awful lot but I don't want to do

2414
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:05,800
that I feel like it kind of ruins the

2415
01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:07,360
illusion if you know what I mean

2416
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:11,560
well I think about where Rita and I and

2417
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:13,000
I'm not kidding about this two nights

2418
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:21,010
ago we watched Galaxy Quest I've seen

2419
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:24,550
that documentary 50 times I love it I

2420
01:54:32,010 --> 01:54:26,170
love it see it when it came into the

2421
01:54:33,930 --> 01:54:32,020
theater here oh man so that movie is a

2422
01:54:38,270 --> 01:54:33,940
documentary the documentary is a

2423
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:38,280
documentary of the documentary but so

2424
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:43,920
the the scenes of the convention when

2425
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:46,210
you know these fans are coming up and

2426
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:48,610
they want answers on certain episodes

2427
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:51,010
and they're you know they're getting

2428
01:54:58,770 --> 01:54:54,330
into this in in a in a different mindset

2429
01:55:01,770 --> 01:54:58,780
right where they are not not thinking

2430
01:55:04,140 --> 01:55:01,780
necessarily that the episode is real but

2431
01:55:05,550 --> 01:55:04,150
that the character is real and at that

2432
01:55:07,860 --> 01:55:05,560
moment you're sitting on the other side

2433
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:07,870
of the table they kept these conferences

2434
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:10,840
and do you get approached in the same

2435
01:55:15,300 --> 01:55:12,730
way that it's portrayed in that where

2436
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:15,310
they want they want your philosophy on

2437
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:17,650
an episode and oh absolutely

2438
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:20,410
I absolutely do and you know what I nerd

2439
01:55:27,439 --> 01:55:23,770
out right along with them I do I love

2440
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:27,449
nothing more than for someone to

2441
01:55:32,590 --> 01:55:30,270
to to want to talk about the episodes

2442
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:32,600
that we did and want to know more about

2443
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:35,280
how they were made and where the idea

2444
01:55:40,150 --> 01:55:37,440
came from oh my goodness you guys just

2445
01:55:44,450 --> 01:55:40,160
this past weekend in Montgomery Alabama

2446
01:55:47,660 --> 01:55:44,460
there was a man that was another guest

2447
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:47,670
and an assigning guest with me named

2448
01:55:52,910 --> 01:55:50,850
Philo Barnhart do you know that name no

2449
01:55:57,620 --> 01:55:52,920
hi to him but this is gonna be good

2450
01:56:01,130 --> 01:55:57,630
Philo or he's he's a he's an animator

2451
01:56:06,110 --> 01:56:01,140
and an artist who worked for Disney he

2452
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:06,120
actually created Ariel from Little

2453
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:08,610
Mermaid right and and worked with them

2454
01:56:16,729 --> 01:56:14,010
but many many years ago he he did a lot

2455
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:16,739
of special effects work and he did

2456
01:56:22,669 --> 01:56:18,810
special effects for Star Trek the motion

2457
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:22,679
picture and when he we were to show this

2458
01:56:26,540 --> 01:56:24,570
past weekend I didn't know him had no

2459
01:56:29,419 --> 01:56:26,550
idea who he was he came up to my

2460
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:29,429
autograph table and he said Vick I I'm

2461
01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:31,590
I'm so excited to meet you I told my

2462
01:56:36,979 --> 01:56:34,440
manager to try to find a convention that

2463
01:56:39,919 --> 01:56:36,989
you were gonna be at that he could book

2464
01:56:43,130 --> 01:56:39,929
me into because I have every one of your

2465
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:43,140
episodes on my laptop I love every one

2466
01:56:48,830 --> 01:56:45,840
of them and we went to dinner Sunday

2467
01:56:52,610 --> 01:56:48,840
night and sat across the table and just

2468
01:56:55,070 --> 01:56:52,620
talked Star Trek and Star Trek continues

2469
01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:55,080
and he had hundreds of questions about

2470
01:57:02,689 --> 01:56:58,650
our our stories and our characters and

2471
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:02,699
our our series and I just nothing gives

2472
01:57:08,060 --> 01:57:06,000
me more joy we didn't make a penny from

2473
01:57:10,910 --> 01:57:08,070
our series it was not about making money

2474
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:10,920
it was not about turning a profit it was

2475
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:14,280
about paying tribute and giving love to

2476
01:57:20,270 --> 01:57:16,650
a show that that meant so much to me and

2477
01:57:21,770 --> 01:57:20,280
so many others and Philo you know to sit

2478
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:21,780
there with this gentleman who's you know

2479
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:22,890
mid-sixties

2480
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:25,890
worked on Star Trek the motion picture

2481
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:29,610
and is a huge Star Trek fan to hear him

2482
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,980
talk with such love about my series was

2483
01:57:38,630 --> 01:57:36,480
was an incredible honor

2484
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:38,640
it was so humbling somebody just tweeted

2485
01:57:41,150 --> 01:57:40,050
I don't know if you guys caught that

2486
01:57:44,210 --> 01:57:41,160
somebody just tweeted it

2487
01:57:46,850 --> 01:57:44,220
so cool that Jimmy is a nerd he's

2488
01:57:51,530 --> 01:57:46,860
nerding out with Mark and Vic right now

2489
01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:51,540
and I'm loving it I tell you what we're

2490
01:57:59,540 --> 01:57:54,510
all nerds for something Jimmy it's you

2491
01:58:02,360 --> 01:57:59,550
know it's it's it's I wouldn't look when

2492
01:58:04,580 --> 01:58:02,370
when I grow grew up just like everybody

2493
01:58:09,020 --> 01:58:04,590
else does the same thing but I grew up

2494
01:58:12,020 --> 01:58:09,030
with Star Trek and I was five I'm mark I

2495
01:58:15,380 --> 01:58:12,030
don't know how old you are but I was

2496
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:15,390
five when Star Trek came out sobs five

2497
01:58:19,910 --> 01:58:17,130
six seven eight that was about as

2498
01:58:22,340 --> 01:58:19,920
influential as I could be at that age I

2499
01:58:24,230 --> 01:58:22,350
was ten I was ten and let me tell you it

2500
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:24,240
influenced a ten-year-old even more yeah

2501
01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:28,050
I can only imagine right and and to go

2502
01:58:33,470 --> 01:58:30,990
and see not only the legacy get

2503
01:58:36,890 --> 01:58:33,480
preserved marked through through your

2504
01:58:38,900 --> 01:58:36,900
books and this audiobook but the Star

2505
01:58:41,810 --> 01:58:38,910
Trek continues and what goes into that

2506
01:58:42,230 --> 01:58:41,820
for me I just feel like it was done for

2507
01:58:44,620 --> 01:58:42,240
me

2508
01:58:48,380 --> 01:58:44,630
you know because it was part of my life

2509
01:58:50,060 --> 01:58:48,390
and it was we were talking about the

2510
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:50,070
episode Charlie acts a moment ago

2511
01:58:53,660 --> 01:58:51,390
because we were talking about Dorothy

2512
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:53,670
and she wrote that from Gene

2513
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:56,130
Roddenberry's idea and I remember the

2514
01:59:01,790 --> 01:58:58,080
first time I sat across from Dorothy at

2515
01:59:04,340 --> 01:59:01,800
a lunch and and interviewed her and I

2516
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:04,350
told her that when I first saw that

2517
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:08,010
episode Charlie Evans was what 16 17 and

2518
01:59:13,220 --> 01:59:10,800
he had a crush on yeoman Rand and he

2519
01:59:15,140 --> 01:59:13,230
goes into Kirk and he says I don't know

2520
01:59:17,630 --> 01:59:15,150
why I feel like I do I don't know why my

2521
01:59:20,180 --> 01:59:17,640
insides are just upside down and I feel

2522
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:20,190
sick all the time and Kirk says to him

2523
01:59:25,730 --> 01:59:23,370
Charlie what you're feeling is nothing

2524
01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:25,740
that any other guy hasn't felt since the

2525
01:59:31,670 --> 01:59:29,760
model came out and I was probably 15

2526
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:31,680
when I saw that episode I didn't see it

2527
01:59:35,660 --> 01:59:33,330
when it was first aired on NBC I saw it

2528
01:59:40,490 --> 01:59:35,670
when it was repeated a few years later

2529
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:40,500
and and when I saw that episode it was

2530
01:59:43,790 --> 01:59:42,210
like having a father-son talk with

2531
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:43,800
somebody that I had never had a chance

2532
01:59:49,670 --> 01:59:46,170
to have because I never talked to my

2533
01:59:50,810 --> 01:59:49,680
father like that and and I'm sitting

2534
01:59:53,180 --> 01:59:50,820
there 15 years old

2535
01:59:54,980 --> 01:59:53,190
feeling sick to my stomach every time a

2536
01:59:57,050 --> 01:59:54,990
pretty girl would walk by me

2537
01:59:59,570 --> 01:59:57,060
that I had a crush on at school and

2538
02:00:00,260 --> 01:59:59,580
Kirk's telling me it's okay you're

2539
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:00,270
normal

2540
02:00:05,780 --> 02:00:03,570
there's nothing unrolled you and what

2541
02:00:08,330 --> 02:00:05,790
other TV show was doing that I never saw

2542
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:08,340
that talk on the end Griffith Show or

2543
02:00:13,940 --> 02:00:11,010
Ironside or anything else I saw it on

2544
02:00:17,060 --> 02:00:13,950
Star Trek and I said to Dorothy I said

2545
02:00:20,240 --> 02:00:17,070
you really helped me and she's old gene

2546
02:00:22,580 --> 02:00:20,250
wrote those lines and she was kind of

2547
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:22,590
bugged by it she said gene always kind

2548
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:24,330
of put sex into things I said but that

2549
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:26,730
helped me Dorothy you should feel good

2550
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:29,610
that your name was on that so you know

2551
02:00:35,210 --> 02:00:32,400
it's just a show that really impacted us

2552
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:35,220
and still and my son coming into my room

2553
02:00:39,530 --> 02:00:37,410
when he was 16 and saying he would lie

2554
02:00:43,370 --> 02:00:39,540
awake after watching these shows it

2555
02:00:45,500 --> 02:00:43,380
still works if anybody out there is 16

2556
02:00:47,390 --> 02:00:45,510
watch Charlie X if you're a guy

2557
02:00:49,490 --> 02:00:47,400
especially watch Charlie X and see what

2558
02:00:52,610 --> 02:00:49,500
it does for you think I wanted to ask

2559
02:00:54,740 --> 02:00:52,620
you speaking of the sets what happened

2560
02:00:58,100 --> 02:00:54,750
to the set did you move it to LA do you

2561
02:01:00,770 --> 02:00:58,110
know no I'm excited I'm so glad you

2562
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:00,780
asked I'm so glad you asked Jimmy know

2563
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:03,690
the sets are standing alive and well

2564
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:07,710
exactly where we built them a wonderful

2565
02:01:15,050 --> 02:01:11,610
gentleman named Ray Tessie took over the

2566
02:01:16,250 --> 02:01:15,060
sets after we finished our series you

2567
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:16,260
know we what are we gonna do with them

2568
02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:19,410
right we finished and Ray is another

2569
02:01:27,470 --> 02:01:23,090
Star Trek fan of a similar age to us and

2570
02:01:29,660 --> 02:01:27,480
and he wanted to take them over and make

2571
02:01:32,270 --> 02:01:29,670
them available for other fans to shoot

2572
02:01:36,530 --> 02:01:32,280
projects there and for people to have

2573
02:01:40,490 --> 02:01:36,540
special events there and and even he has

2574
02:01:43,670 --> 02:01:40,500
opened up the studio to have open houses

2575
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:43,680
and fan appreciation weekends where

2576
02:01:50,540 --> 02:01:47,370
anyone can go to the studio and walk

2577
02:01:53,510 --> 02:01:50,550
through the original enterprise and take

2578
02:01:56,750 --> 02:01:53,520
pictures sit in the captain's chair step

2579
02:01:59,450 --> 02:01:56,760
up on the transporter platform go into

2580
02:02:02,720 --> 02:01:59,460
the sickbay Jefferies tube engineering

2581
02:02:06,340 --> 02:02:02,730
you name it and I would encourage your

2582
02:02:09,379 --> 02:02:06,350
your listeners to take down this URL

2583
02:02:11,729 --> 02:02:09,389
neutral zone studio

2584
02:02:14,069 --> 02:02:11,739
I'm writing it down

2585
02:02:17,250 --> 02:02:14,079
neutral because that that is the website

2586
02:02:21,060 --> 02:02:17,260
and let me tell you Jimmy there is going

2587
02:02:24,450 --> 02:02:21,070
to be one day in January one day in

2588
02:02:27,930 --> 02:02:24,460
February one day in March and one day in

2589
02:02:29,970 --> 02:02:27,940
April where I'm going to the studio and

2590
02:02:33,089 --> 02:02:29,980
I'm going to be giving people personal

2591
02:02:35,609 --> 02:02:33,099
tours of the sets telling them the

2592
02:02:38,189 --> 02:02:35,619
stories of how they were built where we

2593
02:02:40,319 --> 02:02:38,199
got the things we got how we figured

2594
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:40,329
this out where that came from

2595
02:02:46,620 --> 02:02:45,130
and it's free of charge neutral zone

2596
02:02:50,729 --> 02:02:46,630
studios

2597
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,739
I think it's calm it may be org but but

2598
02:02:54,510 --> 02:02:52,480
it would be easy enough to find on the

2599
02:02:57,660 --> 02:02:54,520
internet and all of the dates and times

2600
02:03:00,540 --> 02:02:57,670
and locations and details for these open

2601
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:00,550
houses will be there you can not only

2602
02:03:04,950 --> 02:03:03,130
walk through it for free but experience

2603
02:03:07,919 --> 02:03:04,960
you know that the studio where we shot

2604
02:03:10,439 --> 02:03:07,929
Star Trek continues I I don't know if

2605
02:03:11,010 --> 02:03:10,449
you know who Steve Neil is they either

2606
02:03:14,430 --> 02:03:11,020
yes

2607
02:03:17,819 --> 02:03:14,440
you know Steve well I know Steve Drexler

2608
02:03:20,580 --> 02:03:17,829
okay yes yes yes okay so I'm out at

2609
02:03:22,799 --> 02:03:20,590
Steve's studio here mark you're gonna

2610
02:03:26,580 --> 02:03:22,809
love this I'm at his studio and he's one

2611
02:03:28,830 --> 02:03:26,590
of the great model builders period right

2612
02:03:32,729 --> 02:03:28,840
he's just one of the best guys done tons

2613
02:03:37,620 --> 02:03:32,739
of film but I'm out of his Studios in in

2614
02:03:43,740 --> 02:03:37,630
Oxnard and he built the captain's chair

2615
02:03:45,810 --> 02:03:43,750
right and so and it's it's just like the

2616
02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:45,820
Star Trek continues set right it's it's

2617
02:03:50,850 --> 02:03:48,639
the real deal and and I sat in that

2618
02:03:52,709 --> 02:03:50,860
thing and it's you know it's all lit up

2619
02:03:55,620 --> 02:03:52,719
he's got one of the original

2620
02:03:58,049 --> 02:03:55,630
communicators right he's got a replica

2621
02:04:00,689 --> 02:03:58,059
he's got the original right I'm holding

2622
02:04:04,649 --> 02:04:00,699
that in my hand with the Tribble sitting

2623
02:04:07,620 --> 02:04:04,659
in that cabins chair I never felt more

2624
02:04:10,410 --> 02:04:07,630
like the king of the world well I can

2625
02:04:12,270 --> 02:04:10,420
tell you one I can tell you one setting

2626
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:12,280
where you will feel more like the king

2627
02:04:17,549 --> 02:04:15,690
of the world and that is our studio

2628
02:04:19,580 --> 02:04:17,559
because you may have sat in the

2629
02:04:22,410 --> 02:04:19,590
captain's chair and Steve Neal's house

2630
02:04:24,209 --> 02:04:22,420
but there is nothing like

2631
02:04:26,430 --> 02:04:24,219
walking on to the bridge of the intercom

2632
02:04:28,050 --> 02:04:26,440
imagine man and sitting in that chair

2633
02:04:30,150 --> 02:04:28,060
and spinning around and looking all

2634
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:30,160
around you and there's the helm nav

2635
02:04:34,500 --> 02:04:31,840
console in front of you and Scotty

2636
02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:34,510
station to your left and Spock station

2637
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:36,250
of the right and the turbolift and Ahura

2638
02:04:43,470 --> 02:04:38,770
behind you and not just the bridge Jimmy

2639
02:04:46,919 --> 02:04:43,480
but everything everything they built the

2640
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:46,929
big bending corridor sickbay transporter

2641
02:04:54,090 --> 02:04:49,330
room briefing room captain's quarters

2642
02:04:57,150 --> 02:04:54,100
aux control Jefferies tube engineering

2643
02:05:00,840 --> 02:04:57,160
bridge it's all there and I would give I

2644
02:05:03,419 --> 02:05:00,850
would I would be most honored Jimmy if

2645
02:05:05,939 --> 02:05:03,429
you could find a way to get down fly on

2646
02:05:08,189 --> 02:05:05,949
down for one of these days and let me

2647
02:05:10,229 --> 02:05:08,199
give you a tour of our studio I would

2648
02:05:12,810 --> 02:05:10,239
love that so much mark did you ever do

2649
02:05:15,540 --> 02:05:12,820
you did this pretty much like stage 9

2650
02:05:17,610 --> 02:05:15,550
didn't you were the original laid out

2651
02:05:20,610 --> 02:05:17,620
the same way oh yeah it is laid out

2652
02:05:22,650 --> 02:05:20,620
Jimmy its laid out exactly the the

2653
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:22,660
footprint is exactly the same as the

2654
02:05:28,020 --> 02:05:24,130
originals here didn't you get the

2655
02:05:30,689 --> 02:05:28,030
original blueprints yes all of those

2656
02:05:33,959 --> 02:05:30,699
rooms were connected to the corridor

2657
02:05:36,330 --> 02:05:33,969
right and so once you step into the

2658
02:05:39,209 --> 02:05:36,340
corridor at the end once once the doors

2659
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:39,219
open at the end of the corridor you're

2660
02:05:44,490 --> 02:05:41,770
in it you are in it as if you were on

2661
02:05:46,979 --> 02:05:44,500
the ship you know what I did Mark I

2662
02:05:49,740 --> 02:05:46,989
don't know if you did this but I would

2663
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:49,750
watch Star Trek continues and then I

2664
02:05:56,820 --> 02:05:52,810
would freeze it and I would go and watch

2665
02:05:59,729 --> 02:05:56,830
the original series and I would compare

2666
02:06:03,300 --> 02:05:59,739
the captains quarters right yeah and the

2667
02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:03,310
bridge well you know you know stage nine

2668
02:06:10,979 --> 02:06:06,780
at Desilu which then became paramount

2669
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:10,989
was for the entire ship all the sets

2670
02:06:15,630 --> 02:06:12,850
that big house on his stage kind of laid

2671
02:06:18,060 --> 02:06:15,640
out the same way right and and when they

2672
02:06:20,490 --> 02:06:18,070
did next generation Jimmy they used

2673
02:06:22,620 --> 02:06:20,500
stage 9 at Paramount the very same stage

2674
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:22,630
and built the entire ship on the stage

2675
02:06:29,070 --> 02:06:26,050
stage 10 was good for the planet sense

2676
02:06:31,110 --> 02:06:29,080
but stage stage 9 was the entire ship so

2677
02:06:33,510 --> 02:06:31,120
they they used the same stage and pretty

2678
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,520
much the same layout so that would be an

2679
02:06:36,090 --> 02:06:35,679
interesting comparison yeah all right

2680
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:36,100
Stan

2681
02:06:45,180 --> 02:06:41,170
nine over on Melrose mm-hmm right on

2682
02:06:47,490 --> 02:06:45,190
Melrose that corner I'm trying to think

2683
02:06:49,230 --> 02:06:47,500
yeah that was desi Lu right paramount

2684
02:06:51,420 --> 02:06:49,240
was right next door and there was a wall

2685
02:06:54,810 --> 02:06:51,430
between them right right in Star Trek

2686
02:06:55,890 --> 02:06:54,820
Star Trek bankrupted not Star Trek alone

2687
02:06:58,920 --> 02:06:55,900
Star Trek and Mission Impossible

2688
02:07:01,770 --> 02:06:58,930
combined cause Desilu to go bankrupt

2689
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:01,780
because they were too expensive and so

2690
02:07:07,140 --> 02:07:03,730
she had to sell to Paramount and they

2691
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:07,150
tore the wall down and in season two of

2692
02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:09,250
my three books at there's a picture of

2693
02:07:14,490 --> 02:07:11,530
Lucille Ball cutting the ribbon where

2694
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:14,500
the wall used to be as she looks she's

2695
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:16,450
forcing a smile on her face but she

2696
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:19,450
looks so sad because she's having to

2697
02:07:24,900 --> 02:07:21,370
give up her studio that she and desi

2698
02:07:26,700 --> 02:07:24,910
built but but that's what she gave the

2699
02:07:28,860 --> 02:07:26,710
Star Trek she believed in the show she

2700
02:07:31,650 --> 02:07:28,870
believed it can rerun as long as I Love

2701
02:07:32,730 --> 02:07:31,660
Lucy did and she put everything she had

2702
02:07:34,590 --> 02:07:32,740
on the line for it

2703
02:07:40,980 --> 02:07:34,600
Vick thar we gonna see a Star Trek

2704
02:07:44,840 --> 02:07:40,990
continues continues me too well I'll

2705
02:07:54,450 --> 02:07:48,150
ever since we finished the original

2706
02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:54,460
series I've been wanting been kicking

2707
02:08:00,090 --> 02:07:57,490
around and I you know what would be not

2708
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:00,100
more episodes but maybe like a feature

2709
02:08:06,660 --> 02:08:03,040
film but maybe maybe a film that

2710
02:08:10,260 --> 02:08:06,670
reunites us and somewhere in the

2711
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:10,270
timeline between the motion picture and

2712
02:08:18,330 --> 02:08:14,110
the Wrath of Khan somewhere in there

2713
02:08:22,770 --> 02:08:18,340
I've even got an idea for it that's

2714
02:08:25,290 --> 02:08:22,780
really going to be dependent on the on

2715
02:08:29,730 --> 02:08:25,300
the fan film guidelines as it stands

2716
02:08:31,380 --> 02:08:29,740
right now they it's impossible to do

2717
02:08:34,290 --> 02:08:31,390
something like that under the current

2718
02:08:36,030 --> 02:08:34,300
setting but why is that

2719
02:08:38,460 --> 02:08:36,040
Spock used to say I'd like to think

2720
02:08:43,110 --> 02:08:38,470
there are always possibilities and why

2721
02:08:45,240 --> 02:08:43,120
is it so constrained well we do I don't

2722
02:08:48,900 --> 02:08:45,250
want to bring your your show down but in

2723
02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:48,910
a nutshell there was a fan production

2724
02:08:52,980 --> 02:08:49,630
the

2725
02:08:55,820 --> 02:08:52,990
raised a buttload of money to make a

2726
02:08:59,780 --> 02:08:55,830
movie that not only did they never make

2727
02:09:04,320 --> 02:08:59,790
but but you know the money was gone and

2728
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:04,330
and and CBS CBS basically stepped in and

2729
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:07,450
said okay that's enough and and they

2730
02:09:12,810 --> 02:09:10,960
filed a lawsuit against the the the

2731
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:12,820
production for raising all this money

2732
02:09:18,030 --> 02:09:15,490
and not doing what they said they were

2733
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:18,040
gonna do and and they were very arrogant

2734
02:09:22,980 --> 02:09:20,050
about it and saying we're we're gonna

2735
02:09:26,070 --> 02:09:22,990
make a feature film and it's going to be

2736
02:09:27,410 --> 02:09:26,080
better than then the Star Trek films and

2737
02:09:30,990 --> 02:09:27,420
it's gonna be a you know whatever

2738
02:09:33,180 --> 02:09:31,000
professional this and that and CBS up to

2739
02:09:36,420 --> 02:09:33,190
that point had been allowing fan films

2740
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:36,430
to exist as long as they didn't cross

2741
02:09:44,580 --> 02:09:41,050
the line of profiting from Star Trek

2742
02:09:46,050 --> 02:09:44,590
right right but this production the

2743
02:09:50,060 --> 02:09:46,060
people in charge of this production

2744
02:09:53,370 --> 02:09:50,070
started paying themselves salaries and

2745
02:09:55,170 --> 02:09:53,380
buying themselves all kinds of things

2746
02:09:57,330 --> 02:09:55,180
and flying around the world in

2747
02:10:01,260 --> 02:09:57,340
first-class to promote a movie they

2748
02:10:03,810 --> 02:10:01,270
hadn't shot one frame of and and it was

2749
02:10:07,290 --> 02:10:03,820
it was you know it was it was the last

2750
02:10:10,410 --> 02:10:07,300
straw and CBS basically said okay that's

2751
02:10:12,510 --> 02:10:10,420
enough and one of the things that came

2752
02:10:15,710 --> 02:10:12,520
out of the lawsuit were these

2753
02:10:18,780 --> 02:10:15,720
quote-unquote fans film guidelines

2754
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:18,790
basically things like it can't be longer

2755
02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:22,570
than 15 minutes you can't use anyone

2756
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:24,370
that was a part of official Star Trek

2757
02:10:29,630 --> 02:10:26,320
you're not allowed to use like sag

2758
02:10:34,590 --> 02:10:29,640
actors you can't raise more than $50,000

2759
02:10:36,980 --> 02:10:34,600
there are a lot of constraints Star Trek

2760
02:10:39,870 --> 02:10:36,990
continues would not be able to go on

2761
02:10:42,450 --> 02:10:39,880
under those constraints but we are very

2762
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:42,460
grateful to CBS because when they put

2763
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:44,890
these guidelines in place they called me

2764
02:10:48,870 --> 02:10:47,410
and they said look we know that it was

2765
02:10:53,010 --> 02:10:48,880
your intention to finish the original

2766
02:10:55,140 --> 02:10:53,020
series how quickly can you do that so

2767
02:10:58,110 --> 02:10:55,150
they they could have called who said

2768
02:11:00,960 --> 02:10:58,120
you're done hang up your tunic you're

2769
02:11:03,540 --> 02:11:00,970
done right but but they didn't they said

2770
02:11:06,450 --> 02:11:03,550
finish it up as quick as you can

2771
02:11:08,220 --> 02:11:06,460
and and we were able to finish the

2772
02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:08,230
original series of Star Trek which had

2773
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:10,090
never been done and I'm extremely

2774
02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:12,130
grateful for that but I'd like to think

2775
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:14,050
that there may be something down the

2776
02:11:19,200 --> 02:11:15,610
pike somewhere that we might be able to

2777
02:11:22,260 --> 02:11:19,210
do thanks CBS should have put Star Trek

2778
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:22,270
continues on they're there their

2779
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:24,490
streaming service that they they opened

2780
02:11:29,340 --> 02:11:26,890
up for discovery yep I think it'd be a

2781
02:11:31,140 --> 02:11:29,350
great companion show for discovery and

2782
02:11:34,350 --> 02:11:31,150
you watch those episodes as you have

2783
02:11:37,230 --> 02:11:34,360
Jeannie Jimmy it is it's got the quality

2784
02:11:39,630 --> 02:11:37,240
you have a network show yep it could be

2785
02:11:41,580 --> 02:11:39,640
up there and it's got the talent it's

2786
02:11:44,130 --> 02:11:41,590
got the writing it's got the themes and

2787
02:11:46,350 --> 02:11:44,140
hopefully maybe some a scene or maybe

2788
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:46,360
your your listeners can write in and

2789
02:11:51,810 --> 02:11:49,090
demand this but but I would love to see

2790
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:51,820
Vic back in that captain's chair that

2791
02:11:56,610 --> 02:11:53,650
gives me some ideas that we'll talk

2792
02:11:58,920 --> 02:11:56,620
about off of the air thank you both a

2793
02:12:01,500 --> 02:11:58,930
Vic how many how many conferences and

2794
02:12:04,650 --> 02:12:01,510
conventions are are you gonna do next

2795
02:12:07,500 --> 02:12:04,660
year in 2020 well as many as I can

2796
02:12:10,290 --> 02:12:07,510
I already have oh I don't know I

2797
02:12:12,780 --> 02:12:10,300
probably have eight or ten lined up so

2798
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:12,790
far and it's still early for the ones

2799
02:12:17,610 --> 02:12:15,760
later in the year so I'm I'm hoping to

2800
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:17,620
do more and I want you to know Jimmy

2801
02:12:24,030 --> 02:12:20,650
I've been begging mark to come down to

2802
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:24,040
the studio with all of the time he has

2803
02:12:30,180 --> 02:12:26,050
spent all of his life he has devoted

2804
02:12:32,910 --> 02:12:30,190
these last seven and eight years to Star

2805
02:12:34,650 --> 02:12:32,920
Trek and writing these books he needs to

2806
02:12:37,260 --> 02:12:34,660
come to the studio and walk through

2807
02:12:39,060 --> 02:12:37,270
those corridors and and and and

2808
02:12:41,130 --> 02:12:39,070
experience that and I would love for you

2809
02:12:43,740 --> 02:12:41,140
to do it as well I'm extending a

2810
02:12:45,300 --> 02:12:43,750
personal invitation to both of you in

2811
02:12:47,820 --> 02:12:45,310
front of all your listeners they're my

2812
02:12:51,230 --> 02:12:47,830
witnesses I want you guys to come down

2813
02:12:56,130 --> 02:12:51,240
and experience this mark are you down

2814
02:12:57,630 --> 02:12:56,140
are you down I'm down let's just kiss

2815
02:13:00,240 --> 02:12:57,640
that and see if we can set something up

2816
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:00,250
I think you're right thank you so much

2817
02:13:07,110 --> 02:13:03,490
for the invite Vic and and mark I know

2818
02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:07,120
it's mark Cushman com is one website and

2819
02:13:12,750 --> 02:13:09,330
where can everybody go and get the books

2820
02:13:14,550 --> 02:13:12,760
these are the voyages calm these are the

2821
02:13:16,580 --> 02:13:14,560
voyages calm and everybody knows about

2822
02:13:20,330 --> 02:13:16,590
Star Trek continues calm

2823
02:13:22,780 --> 02:13:20,340
that that website is if there is so much

2824
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:22,790
content there

2825
02:13:28,280 --> 02:13:25,650
everybody just go start watching have

2826
02:13:30,980 --> 02:13:28,290
fun it's right there Star Trek continues

2827
02:13:33,290 --> 02:13:30,990
Vic mark enjoy the rest of your evening

2828
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:33,300
thank you so much thank you thank you

2829
02:13:38,420 --> 02:13:35,730
Jimmy it's been a blast Vic I'll be in

2830
02:13:41,060 --> 02:13:38,430
touch mark I'll be in touch and like I

2831
02:13:42,830 --> 02:13:41,070
said thank you so much guys for for all

2832
02:13:45,830 --> 02:13:42,840
of this and making this such a special

2833
02:13:47,630 --> 02:13:45,840
evening for me absolutely Jimmy listen

2834
02:13:50,810 --> 02:13:47,640
go to that go to that neutral zone

2835
02:13:53,930 --> 02:13:50,820
Studios website I think the first open

2836
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:53,940
house is January 18th and then there's a

2837
02:13:58,910 --> 02:13:56,880
date in February and date March look at

2838
02:14:00,770 --> 02:13:58,920
your schedule and and hop on a plane and

2839
02:14:02,870 --> 02:14:00,780
pop down there and let me share this

2840
02:14:04,580 --> 02:14:02,880
with you you'll feel like you're 10

2841
02:14:06,830 --> 02:14:04,590
years old again Jamie I'm telling you

2842
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:06,840
it's like a dream it's like stepping

2843
02:14:11,630 --> 02:14:09,450
into a dream nothing will ever compare

2844
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:11,640
to it thank you so much Jimmy that's

2845
02:14:18,260 --> 02:14:13,370
gonna be five years old

2846
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:18,270
that's right Rita my wife right now is

2847
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:20,970
probably on Amazon getting me a Captain

2848
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:29,520
Kirk thank you guys thank you so much

2849
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:30,780
enjoy the rest of your evening

2850
02:14:38,630 --> 02:14:35,310
take care thanks Jimmy that will be a

2851
02:14:40,730 --> 02:14:38,640
wrap we went pole to pole here and I'm

2852
02:14:43,970 --> 02:14:40,740
right up against it I skip through the

2853
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:43,980
network break I did all of this for you

2854
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:46,650
The Fader knots fainted Black's

2855
02:14:50,240 --> 02:14:48,450
executive producers Rita Camarillo and

2856
02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:50,250
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2857
02:14:55,190 --> 02:14:52,560
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2858
02:14:57,080 --> 02:14:55,200
Harter jean bateau a marty colbaugh what

2859
02:14:59,930 --> 02:14:57,090
master is drew the geek music doug

2860
02:15:02,450 --> 02:14:59,940
aldrich intro space boys space boy music

2861
02:15:06,070 --> 02:15:02,460
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2862
02:15:08,900 --> 02:15:06,080
kjsurya productions indication is kg ra

2863
02:15:11,330 --> 02:15:08,910
the planet this broadcasts on the

2864
02:15:12,590 --> 02:15:11,340
copyright a 2019 by fade to black in the

2865
02:15:14,630 --> 02:15:12,600
game changer network

2866
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:14,640
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2867
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:16,170
copied or used anywhere in the known

2868
02:15:21,399 --> 02:15:18,530
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2869
02:15:23,979 --> 02:15:21,409
from fade to black or the game-changer

2870
02:15:24,729 --> 02:15:23,989
Network I got to thank mark Cushman at

2871
02:15:27,459 --> 02:15:24,739
big Montagna

2872
02:15:31,359 --> 02:15:27,469
great conversation tonight tomorrow

2873
02:15:31,959 --> 02:15:31,369
night is our sixth anniversary special

2874
02:15:34,930 --> 02:15:31,969
event

2875
02:15:38,439 --> 02:15:34,940
Fator night open lines with all of you

2876
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:38,449
all night long until then I'm your host

2877
02:15:45,310 --> 02:15:41,679
Jimmy Church I want everybody to be safe

2878
02:15:59,650 --> 02:15:45,320
go back Lee tappy